Okay, so no need to play D2 because Dr Lama has already speedrun and played it to death faster than I ever will. That proves D2 is easy AF and boring. Gotcha.
I for one do not trust metacritic, its a score that is heavliy influenced by haters. What I can see is that there are constantly people playing D3 in my PC list, and in public games, and that D3 has more often than not is in the top selling list in the Switch eshop. So obviously many people like playing the game. As of this moment (and its far from prime time to play games) there are close 1000 players in public PC games in EU.
the moment you resort to namecalling you already lost… I am glad that the devs are listening and I hope that d4 will be a gem, that after 20 years its still played like D2. Good day.
You know, in a way I want to pull it back and say I am sorry, but I wont after seeing how D2 players lash out at anyone who likes/playes D3. You are met with the same type of idiocy that you put out.
When claiming that there is a universal “truth” to D3 being boring you are stepping quite hard on anyone who actually are enjoying the game. There are no hard truths to what is fun or not, only personal opinions.
1000 players you say??? thats so low it can not evan be described as how low it is. for the EU. Its just LOW.
Second trust or no trust metacritic is one of the go to sites for best game scores so if its slamed so hard is probably cose its true.
Third you cant compare your friend list with a whole realm im glad you have with whom to play but as a example your list is full mine is empty all day evrey day , my friends list is the same and so forth.
Forth im not bashing the players that play the game im bashing on the ‘‘game’’ itself.Diablo 2 for its time was a diamond , i can understand if you dont like it since is a 20 year old game but at its time Diablo 2 was at the top of the selling charts on all shelfs and the allaround critic score is a 8.8 even to this day.so thats saying somthing. If you like playing the game fine enjoy dont let us stop you but trust me when i say this if diablo 4 comes out anything like d3 its gonna be a wreak to start with.
Here are just a few of its problems as of today.
Paragon
Poor skill desighn
1 googleplex dmg modifires
Boaring end game content
Bad itemisation
No tradeing
Diablo as a female
Basicly no crafting (or good crafting better sed)
i could go on and on and on… for whom enjoy this sort of game go play it but for many of the comunity is just a bad game
As Kim sed and i totaly agree with him Diablo 4 should be easy to learn and dificult to master, while diablo 3 is easy to learn and…requires no brain to master , just equip green and go. thats it.
It i does not cover all the platforms on which D3 has been released, and it is still a lot for a game that can be completed in 3 days. Early in season there are a lot more, and I am pretty sure there are less bots in D3 than D2. Anyway, I am done talking to you for good, and its the time of the day where I want to grind some D3 (rather than D2).
dont know what platforms have to do with bad game design but yea shure…And whe where not talking about bots but yea ok you divert from the subject have no constructive feedback so yea shure no problem go play Have a wonderfull time.
P.S when thinking it sold over 3.5 million copyes witch is amazing but a cash grab non the less and now 1000 people play in EU realm yea thats ''allot ‘’
this was basically removed since the loss of the auction house. many of the metacritic complaints are about the RMAH…
I imagine that the devs listened to the d2 players and expanded on the trading idea, allowing for easier trade. the auction house isn’t a bad concept, but coupled with people buying diablo gold on D2 it makes sense to allow RM transactions… and this leads to a massive problem which many players dislike.
the D3 skill design is miles better than D2, with it’s ice bolt → ice blast → glacial spike spells, basically 3 of the same thing. also 3 ice armour spells… why??? one is enough. D3 skills are vastly more varied in what they do and how they work compared to D2, and since the skills use weapon damage, almost all of them can be used at end game. I’ve never heard of a sorc using firebolt as a primary spell on D2.
The boring end game play in D3 is miles better than D2… I mean what is there to do in D2… collect more items to allow you to kill baal faster than you already did… does this provide any meaning to a game?? Furthermore… most of the D2 gameplay is about using 2 or 3 skills to pretty much kill everything, once your mana runs out, you drink a man potion and resume using the same skills. If D3 has boring end gameplay, D2 has boring gameplay period.
I really don’t see why diablo possessing a female is a downside… I mean does this upset your aesthetic about the game… is diablo not allowed to possess women for some reason. From D1 we know that diablo takes shape based upon the body he possesses… complaining about diablo being female just seems sexist and downright petty. If your going to complain, please come up with better things than “diablo was a girl”… it just makes you sound weak.
The crafting in D3 has one thing vastly superior to it than D3. it’s acknowledge in the game. Since in order to craft in D2 you have to research the internet looking for the formulae and crafting mats to use… I’m half tempted to say crafting isn’t actually in D2 as the only way to know about it is to stop playing D2, do online research and then produce the results in D2. even then the most influential part is the runewords, who effectively create overpowered legendaries.
Finally I don’t like either D2 or D3… the games have massive problems with both of them. They both end up very repetitive and with little to no complexity in them. No D2 does not have completicty… you basically spam 2 skills from nightmare difficulty until hell and then you check you can kill thing with those skills before you spam them… it is boring and tedious to play. Item drops in D2 are bizarre, I end up looking for angel magic staffs in the shops and just selling everything else. many items have abilities that are never explained (deadly strike?) and the complete lack of information about such properties can cripple gameplay decisions. I wouldn’t recommend D2 to anyone I know as a good game… even as a good old game, just because of the issues that have and always will exist in it. D3 has gotten to fast for it’s own purpose. THe skill system uses a multiplicative boost method, which easily allows things to spiral massively out of control and ends up with the silly damage bonuses we now have. However, the GR’s provide a better end game than D2, since the GR’s get progressively harder, and no! before you mention anything, no one in season 19 has a GR150 completion time. crusader and barb are close at 145 and 146. But I’m also aware that merely adding extra health and damage to monsters is also a really boring way to have an end game, since all you do is effectively a maths problem, “do I have enough damage to do the next GR fast enough?”
I feel that the biggest problem for the diablo series is the massive success of Diablo 2. The game has big problems, but at the time it was shiny and new and different. Diablo 3 tried to build upon these ideas, however, because the ideas were flawed, it backfired. Unless D4 can create a game that has some major player interaction changes I feel that it will fall into the tediousness of both D2 and D3.
Poor skill design : i like better the skill design in diablo 2 for the simple fact that once you mess it up your done theres no respec (you get 1 per difficulty and that was added in the final patch) it gives personality to the character.i didnt say it was perfect but it was better . And icebolt >iceblast etc etc, skills where made that way that adding points in any of them gave dmg to the other to. For instance all the spells in a line added to the next one so the last one , frozen orb got its dmg + dmg from the rest from the above. And you didnt use 2-3 skills there where more like 6-7. main skill , movment skills , auras .
Borning end game : in a way there both that way but in diablo 2 you have uber tristram aside from the game content , cow lvl , and the boss runs all of the above have good drops and meaningfull items , Diablo 3 has grifts??and what else?? , no use doing whimsishire , no use doing the ubers forgot what they called those what drop maths for hellfire items). so what whas there for a end game is basicly ussles.
About craftring id rader reserch recepies on the net or write them down like back in the day and craft somthing good than nothing at all but thats just me.i dont mind a alt+tab , but you goota take into account that was year 2000 different system alltogheter than today.
Realy you dont mind that diablo is a woman now? Dont get me wrong i dont have anything whit the ladies but its just bad my opinion. Hes called Diablo not Leiahblo anyhow thats the smalles thing . Im not sexist and i can understand it sounds that way but i can ashure you its not ment that way its just…dosent sit right… but that probably just me its a small thing and maby somthing i personaly dont like should have never brought it up.
I dont like Diablo 3 basicly becouse it holds you hand all the way trough the end , its just badly made.Whe hated diablo 3 vanilla at first then whe waited for the ripper now that the game is in the classic team suport looking back i realy think vanilla was actualy better at least then rares had some meaning.
Neider diablo 2 or 3 are perfect but drawing the line in the end theres a bit more to do in diablo 2 than 3 and one uber run in diablo 2 youl remember it trust me .
Diablo wasn’t a female in Diablo 3, never was a female and never will be a female.
He took over Leah’s soul yes she was after all a catalyst of some sort but Diablo only took a feminine shape. In Diablo 1 he took over a teenager and in Diablo 2 he took over a warrior which is why is body build is much more bulkier than in Diablo 1 or 3.
His body changes depending on what the host he takes over has, you are after all killing the same Diablo in all of the games.
I must admit, massivly off topic, but i’ve wondered how the deamon genders were decided. Diablo and other greater evils are “brothers”. Lilith is mephistos daughter… does she have a have a mother? Lilith also has human children with an angel… how? We have seen diablo in full glory as it were… pretty sure there was no genitals.
I understand this will be glossed over when playing games, and angels and demons having gender can be considered human projection (they actually have no gender but we see them as male/female based on actions). But it is hinted azmodan has intimate relarions with cydia, and Lilith produces a new form of life with an angel.
I don’t know man. Did he make those games all by himself?
Generalizing is good. It’s what helped start WWII among others.
I don’t understand why you people look at Diablo games as if they were competitive RTS, shooter, MOBA etc. games. Diablo is an RPG game meant mostly to be a story experience not be used as a casino. Sure, there’s PvP, there’s multiplayer but that’s a bonus. I mean, do you get tired of running after running daily for like a few years? It’s the same each time you do it anyway.
I think it gets pretty wrong to consider angels and demons female or male since they don’t reproduce the human way? At least, angels sure don’t. Demons need hosts.
What’s weird about this though is that heaven is outside Sanctuary or above and Hell is inside or below which creates story problems since that means demons were always closer to if not in Sanctuary thus all that hiding this world from the Eternal Conflict thing basically falls apart.
I guess, it comes down to demons being filthy and fleshy while angels being pure and ethereal. So, demons probably mated the same way as nephalem do. Strange it is though that Inarius somehow, you know, with Lilith.
Why do you slam Brevik now , i get that the discution has reached the point of his involvement but what has he to do with diablo 3. As you sed with his involvement diablo 1 and 2 where good 2 decades later what did blizzard do with diablo 3? Made it a PG13 game that has nothing to do with the Diablo univers besides the lore. Its a crap game made soulely for the young aged ones so that evrey child can play it. No complexity att all just equip green and go. The rest items are trash.Theres a long list with whats wrong with the game but il stop at items for the sake of making a shorter post.Want to belive it or not thats the sad trouth and unfortunetley about 80% of the forum thinks the same just look at more topics and the descution’s there. how many pro and how many against.They mest it up BAD.
So , after brevik left blizzard what did blizzard do with the francise ?? They just monetised it nothing else used the name for a cash grab.
Hopefully the dev team from dablo 4 is more enlighten than the previous one. David Kim did some amazing things in starcraft so maby hes got some good ideas for diablo 4. Diablo 3 had so much potential in the begining and somewhere along the way it just fell and turned into Candy Crush Arpg.
The game has competitive elements such as ladders and PvP.
it also would fail as an RPG by most game standards since it lacks any form of role play. if I were to compare it to western RPG’s I could point out that Baulder’s Gate 1 and 2, neverwinter nights, morrowind and obilivion all massively surpass it in terms of story and role play. Characters have decisions in those games, but diablo has never had a single character decision… you follow the plot and that’s all you can do. If I were to compare it to JRPG’s that have a very strict story, I could compare the game to Final Fantasy 7,8 or 9 which have both better story and more character customization options than any diablo game, on top of optional side quests to allow for that present more depth to the characters involved.
The game is more of an action game than RPG and if we take in the ladders, it’s a time attack action game.
I would recommend playing divine divinity, it’s similar to D2, but has a vast amount of world interaction and is justified in being called an RPG… even if the story is the same for all characters.
I mean there are books to buy and read if you want to know exactly everything about Diablo but in the world of demons and angels exists both genders.
They wouldn’t want to show off the sexual organs, this is Blizzard not a porno studio.
When there is perfect harmony in the High Heavens a new angel is born from sound however there is a limit to how many angels can be born.
Not all demons needs hosts, demons are still born/created in the Burning Hells. Diablo use hosts to come back to Sanctuary and to be able to enter the High Heavens at will but also to be able to open the portal between Sanctuary and Hell to let his minions through.
However we know that Lilith and Inarius copulated in some way to create the Nephalem and that Lilith created Sanctuary to be a safe place for the Nephalem and it was kept hidden from both angels and demons alike, then a mistake happened and the Prime Evils got information about Sanctuary which caused the Eternal Conflict.
green - good, red-bad… kinda moronic and not a very intelligent system
gear grinds are in all arpg-s thats the defining genres, between ubers and immunes and dclone and lvl 85 zones there is a lot more variety and replayebility than GR with the ancient legendary drop that has a green thing attached to it
see above about imunes
nothing wrong with that in concept, but implementation was horrible it was like a feminazy fat protester that only knows to yell, be isteric and offer terrible cheesy lines
this is plain bs right there, not even gonna bother to answer that
perhaps arpg’s are not for you then? hate to say it but this is Diablo forum, wow and overwatch are in other places
aka crit… google is your friend if you are in the younger generation and does not know of older names
that thing wasn’t w whim, that happened for a reason. Also 30k ppl playing d2 tonite, 7k playing d3… and that is a “horrible” 20 years game with no qol stuff
so enjoy any other game if d2 and 3 for that matter are “crap”
edit :
they are called uniques and runewords, not legendaries…
Anyone who likes not repetitive skills would share the opinion, I’m fine with disagreeing with those who like 10 variations of 2 skills with different damage values.
Never heard of a system that can look at an item, judge it’s average damage, consider all applicable multipliers and give a summary being called “moronic or not very intelligent”… games have been doing this for years, before D2 existed and are still doing it today. I’d say it makes it a very useful system… the ability to summarise items and effects on player character performance.
D3 has standard rift speedruns, bounties, set dungeons, challenge dungeons, ubers and conquests in addition to GR runs… guess there’s more variety in D3, most of these help with the gear grind as well.
so you change from:
spamcast-> drink mana potion-> spamcast
to:
spamcast-> drink mana potion-> switch skill-> spamcast-> drink mana potion…
if the enemy has immune to both skills… runaway?
wow I just described the 3 tactics D2 has… what joy
I doubt this would have changed if diablo possessed a male…
true, but I keep coming back for the lore and story… just wish the gameplay was a bit more… i dunno… involved.
why give it a daft name??.. even Baulders gate used Critical Hit and that game’s ancient
no qol stuff… seriously? the thing saves on exit and has a hidden auto save in case the game ctd’s… if that’s not qol I don’t know what is
they can’t be unique though… otherwise I would never have been able to equip 2 stones of jordan… legendaries at least sounds as if there ‘might’ be multiples
I enjoy a lot of games thank you, many are different than the diablo series, but then I like a variety of genres.
Also you shouldn’t call d2 & 3 “crap”, some people like them… personally I like them for about 20-30 hours at a time… then play other stuff to avoid the repetition
Still as he sed 30 k people playing diablo 2 and only 7 k playing diablo 3 thats kinda saying somthing for a 20 year old game.
So i cant pronunce myself to the fullest on diablo 3 since i dont play that game 2 years now but when i left
Rifts and Grifts where for gear grind.
Bounties where soulely grinded for maths for cube recepies and maby the ring so no other gear there.
Ubers …ussles no use farming that.
Set dungeons give basicly the same reward as a rift or a grift so why do them?
Conquests are season achivements have nothing to do with gearing besides the free set they give you , witch is lame by the way.
I doubt anythings changed today
Diablo 2 had less but more quality in it.
Uber runs where substantialy harder and the loot was meaningfull.
Cow lvl was the best farming zone if you wanted exp as long as you didnt kill the cow king.
Rune farming for recepies.
So while diablo 3 has many more things theres less quality in them and far less incentive to do them
I remember bounties as a chore. Hated doing them
Dont even get me started on the No tradeing restriction. This ones a game braker.
That game suppose to be dark, hard, and all this thing and staff.
Good example here is Darksouls series. Its hard game for most of the people which don’t have patient to play it. That why not every one playing Darksouls.
The same is here. If you are casual player and diablo is to time consuming for you, CHANGE THE GAME!!!
Real fans of Diablo wants to make Diablo IV a good game with dark atmosphere, hard to find items , hard to lvl your character. For sure not to do it in one day like it is now.
Have a wonderfull time.