A plea for dealing with leavers. Losing interest in the game

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You are spinning my words to mean something else than I’m actually saying. I said that personal skill is more important in lower ranks than meta. That doesn’t mean in lower ranks you can carry all of your team and kill enemy team more or less by yourself. Not consistently, atleast. With some luck you can do so occasionally there, but it’s not something you should aim for, as it’s not a consistently functional strategy. Everyone can still improve, but that’s not related to this. As your individual improvements can’t consistently carry a bad team.

Absolute nonsense. Just because I am right about something doesn’t mean I’m arrogant or subconsciously think I’m better than others. How you can misinterpret something I’ve written THIS much is quite baffling. I’ve been very clear in what I’m saying, and this comment you just wrote tells me you misunderstand what I’m writing. Either due to arrogance, or subconsciously…

And if they atleast give that as feedback after being criticized, we can start to think of solutions. Staying quiet isn’t helping ANYONE. If there are 2 hitscans, and they can’t deal with a pharah who isn’t accompanied by a mercy, well then tell us, so we can see if there is anything we can do about it. Communicate.

Yes, but if it is clear what made us lose, then they should hear it. That way, THEY can also improve. Knowing your weaknesses is how you improve, as you can work on making your weaknesses less impactful.

How do you know? you got the math-formula that calculates this? if so, please share.

Yes, if they know their weaknesses, they can work on improving them. That benefits all players on the team, including themselves, whether they are too stubborn, prideful or egocentric to see that in the moment, or not. If it hurts their poor poor ego and pride, then boohoo. Nobody cares about their pride or ego. All teammates wants them to do the best they can. And if they get too much tunnelvision, or simply get focused on a different thing, or something like that, then better to tell them, so they can focus up, and do waht is best for the team. If we win, it benefits all of us.

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“Just because you are right”

6 people see the match from 6 different perspectives

They will most likely have different versions of what’s going on in the match and different ideas of what is “right”

What makes your version better than theirs?

Why do you feel you have the right to be the one to put people on the right path.

Ultimately if you are so much better and so right you will be long gone from their MMR so their mistakes are totally irrelevant.

And all this, you can still enjoy the game and laugh at the mistakes we all make. We don’t need some hindsight Harry telling people what the did wrong.

Shot calling and planning is a big yes, but after the fight is lost… get over it and move on. Complaining about things detracts from what the game is meant to be. FUN.

Yeah, we’d all love to never make mistakes, buy S-word happens. Get over it.

I’d love to see what you are like in a match environment. I would hope it is just a simple “that plan didn’t work, lets try this instead”… but the amount you keep pushing that you are “right” give me the impression that sometimes you might be the sort that just won’t let it go. Like a dog with a bone as it were. I’d love to be wrong, but that is the impression you are giving.

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If 6 people look at the sky, I expect all 6 people to see the same blue sky. No matter how much one of them thinks it’s green, he would be wrong. Pointing out that he is wrong doesn’t make me into a pillar of knowledge and wisdom. It’s self-explanatory, and common knowledge. That’s the type of understanding I expect from people ingame aswell. And if they are acting as if the sky is green, I WILL let them know they are wrong in assuming that. That’s the same type of right I’m talking about. And just to clarify, this is a metaphor.

I already explained this. I don’t claim that my version is better. I’m VERY open to not being leader, and follow the plans of someone else instead. They might very well have a much better plan than mine. And I have no issue with this. But if nobody are interested in taking the lead, then I will. A leader to call shots is pretty important, and I’d rather do it myself than not having one at all, or wait until it’s too late. So I’m not putting anyone on a “right” path, I’m putting everyone on the “same” path. As this greatly influences teamplay. If someone else has a more efficient and better “same” path, then they should speak up and lead. I’ll follow what they say.

Again, never claimed I’m better than them. Being able to point out mistakes does not equate to me being better than them. I also make mistakes, just like everyone else. And I’d rather hear someone point out my flaws, than not caring. I can admit my mistakes, and apologize.

I don’t laugh at mistakes in ranked. It’s simply not funny for me, only annoying. I am willing to forgive the mistakes as long as they show regret, and I expect others to treat me the same. If I want to see funny moments, I’ll prefer to see it in QP or Arcade.
Pointing out things in hindsight to make people more aware of not making the same mistake twice, is totally worth it. And I expect them to do the same to me. It’s not a one-way thing.

I do get over it, as long as they learn from it. Losing a game because of repeating the same mistakes over and over doesn’t make it fun for anyone else either, so my complaints are justified, as I’m trying to improve the quality of the game. Winning in ranked is the most fun you can have in ranked anyways. So just makes more sense.

Ofcourse, but I clearly stated before that making no mistakes is completely unrealistic. Making the SAME mistakes over and over in the same match however? Inexcusable.

The part I’m referring to about being “right” is with very basic things. Like: “The enemy pharah has to be suppressed/needs to die.” Which I AM right in saying. As would anyone else who made the same claim be. It’s just simple logic. You CAN’T let a pharah fly freely and do what she wants. The game will be lost, simple as that. So calling out that she MUST be dealt with, is just stating a fact.
As for how I am in a match, I’m very supportive, and do my best to either follow orders, or give reasonable orders if nobody else wants to call the shots. I don’t sit and harp on the same mistake for the rest of the game, if that’s what you mean, and if that’s the impression I gave you, I suggest you try to read everything I wrote once more. I was being pretty clear in my statements. I feel like your impression of what I’m saying is not REALLY based on what I’m saying, but instead, what you feel like it says. I couldn’t be writing in a more clear sense. If you look for meanings between my sentences, you are going to get the wrong impression. I’m stating it as I am. What I write, is EXACTLY how it is. There is no hidden message to look for. But if you still try to find it, then obviously you will get a skewed picture.

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This is too long, but per your sky analogy… Everyone who looks up will see a diffierent blue, some may not see blue at all. Part to do with variences with blue light sensitivity and other things

" Violet light is actually scattered even a bit more strongly than blue . More of the sunlight entering the atmosphere is blue than violet, however, and our eyes are somewhat more sensitive to blue light than to violet light, so the sky appears blue ."

But you pointing out mistakes will give the impression that you are some how some form of teacher and above others.

I laugh to myself when I see obvious mistakes, we all do make them. Not like they intended that D.Va bomb to slap into a wall and go no where, or grav to go happily flopping off the map (for an example). Just one of those things that happen and its funny to see.

“I am willing to forgive the mistakes as long as they show regret”
“I do get over it, as long as they learn from it”
“Winning in ranked is the most fun you can have in ranked anyways”

I just had to double check. Yes it is a video game. I am not losing my mind.

You can’t win every game. Sometimes people have bad games. Sometimes they just make one mega mistake. If you feel like someone is a liability avoid them and beat them, if winning is so important.

If someone wants your advice they will ask for it.

## Why People Give Unwanted Advice

People who repeatedly give unwanted advice can be well-meaning and genuinely want to help. It’s important to take that possibility for what it is, as there truly may not be more to someone’s intention than that.

However, it is also likely—particularly if someone engages in this behavior compulsively—that they are driven to do so by a need for [emotional validation] or personal power. People who grow up in chronically [stressful environments] in which they did not feel safe, or in emotionally invalidating environments in which expression of their emotions was punished or ignored, may have trouble [self-regulating] and seek to avoid uncomfortable feelings through external validation.

(taken from verywellmind .com for reference)

We are all guily of doing it. I personally just prefer to put a plan out there. And then get on with my job. I will call a target and try my hardest to do my thing.

If I win, awesome, go again.
If I don’t, damn, we go again.

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Way to get the message of the metaphor… The general consensus of the sky being “blue” applies, as this is what is most common to see. If someone looks at the sky and says it’s green, red, violet etc, it doesn’t make it true just because they alone see it that way. 99% of people see the sky, and say it’s blue. And it’s common knowledge to call it blue, as that’s what people see. If SOME people see different color of the sky, then maybe they are colorblind. Doesn’t mean they are correct just because from their point of view the sky isn’t blue. Your breaking down of a metaphor shows that you didn’t look at the message at all, and instead look for a way to break it down to make it seem like it doesn’t make sense, so you can somewhat feel like your arguments holds weight, but it simply shows that you are being disingenuous.

No, it really doesn’t. And I can’t fathom how you would ever reach this conclusion just by me stating something obvious.

Sure, and whenever I see this happen, I usually reply with something like: “Aww, that’s too bad xD nice try tho:p unlucky”
But those types of mistakes are not the ones I’ve been referring to at all. And you should know this from what I’ve written, unless you didn’t read all of it.

Your point being? Just because it’s a videogame doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take it seriously, and play with a mindset where your ultimate goal is to win. ESPECIALLY in ranked, which is what we are talking about. If you want to do more silly stuff and not take things super serious, this is something you are perfectly entitled to do in different modes, like QP and Arcade. But most people playing ranked is doing so to win and climb. Meaning the ultimate fun you can have in ranked is when you win. But like I’ve said before, a loss in a super even match is completely fine. It’s still fun at that point.

OFCOURSE, and I’m not disputing this. All I’m saying is that I’m entitled to tell them about their mistake, in order to reduce the chances of them making the SAME mistake more than once in that game. What they do in the next game where I won’t be, is someone else’s problem. I’m just trying to secure my win in any way I can, and there is NOTHING wrong in doing that.

I explained earlier that I’m not going to waste my avoids on something that COULD be fixed with some constructive criticism. It’s only natural to try to increase my odds of winning when someone does something bad.

I don’t care if they want it or not. They will get it whether they want it or not. If they choose to heed my advice or not is completely up to them. But I’m still gonna speak my mind.

This whole entire article isn’t really relating to me trying to make sure I win in a ranked match though. As I already stated that I don’t care if I am leader or not, as long as SOMEONE is. I have no need for pride, ego or power. All I want is a well-tuned team doing all they can to win, and someone in charge to call the shots so our odds of winning is higher. When I play ranked, ALL I want is to win. I don’t care about what person A or B thinks would be hilarious. If it’s a good strategy to win, then sure. But the bottom line is that we should do EVERYTHING we can to win. And giving advice if nobody else wants to lead, is perfectly reasonable. And with my over 2000 hours of gametime, I have a fair bit of knowledge of how this game works. It’s only natural to speak up if nobody else does. And that’s what I’ll do. In this article you just posted, I’m LITERALLY the first part of the post. Why you would believe something else after reading all I’ve said so far is inconceivable. In other words, this: "People who repeatedly give unwanted advice can be well-meaning and genuinely want to help. It’s important to take that possibility for what it is, as there truly may not be more to someone’s intention than that."

Guilty of doing what? Giving useful advice?

As am I, but you can’t always make a plan and expect it to go as planned, and that’s what I mean with the game being dynamic. Sometimes the plans need changes on the fly, and fast! Which is why I would call shots if nobody else does.

Good. And if you did this when we are in the same game, I would follow your order. But if I didn’t, you should let me hear it, as I would not be a very good teamplayer. And that’s my whole point.

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See there is the difference. I will just laugh to myself.

You have to go make a comment. Now what you put there is some jovial… But could just at easily be taken as trolling and/or patronising.

Your mindset can be take it serious with your ultimate goal of winning - this is my mindset - but this doesn’t have to come at the expense of fun.

You just have to watch Flats and Emongg play. they want to win, they take is seriously. But not at the expense of having fun. And when it stops being fun, Flats taps out and goes.

And that is exactly how it should be.

Yeah you can be annoyed with you team, you are perfectly entitled to think they are the worst players you have ever seen if that is your view… But keep it to yourself.

In short, my point is - winning is great, try hard and try to win, but don’t forget what you are doing. Playing a video game with fellow people that just enjoy playing the video game.

(just a note, i totally ignore all comments like “you don’t take it as seriously as me, you should play different mode”, I find all gatekeeping like this to be a bit embarrassing - view explained, will make no further comment on it).

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I’m concise and clear in all my statements. How you can get something completely different out of what I’m saying, than what I actually AM saying, is completely beyond me. It seems very much like you are completely set in your ways, and there is nothing I can convince you with, regardless of how much reason and logic I bring to the table. But to reach the conclusion that I must be trolling, or being arrogant etc, when it would be clear as day from my posts that this is not the case, is baffling. I don’t understand how you could possibly reach that conclusion. It’s not rocket-science I’m explaining here. I thought it would be really obvious, but I guess there are people out there that are too stubborn to even fathom other viewpoints. Why you even care about answering if you believe you are so right, is quite intriguing, really.

This is obviously NOT your mindset based on what you say in earlier posts. Why you would say it now makes no sense. Your comments are not consistent with what you’ve said before, which makes me believe you probably have an issue with your ego, and just like to comment on things without any reason to do so. Fishing for likes or something, I dunno. But it sure seems like it from the way you misinterpret what is being said, and instead turn it into something controversial, when there is no controversy to be found anywhere.

I won’t. If I see someone playing bad, I will speak to them in a constructive way, in order to increase my odds of winning. Simple as. And nothing about that is wrong.

The fact that you think that my belief would say something to the effect of: “These can’t co-exist”, shows that you really aren’t reading what I’m saying. I’m saying the fun comes from winning, particularly in ranked, where there are consequences for winning and losing. The fun comes naturally by itself when everyone is doing their part. Not when someone is making terrible decisions. Messing around and doing stuff for fun in and of itself is something you can do in modes where you have 0 consequences. Or, if you want to do it in ranked, then atleast make sure you have a full team of players willing to risk their rank. That’s my point.

Gatekeeping? Just because I want ranked to stay as professional and competetive as possible(much like the name “competetive” implies), doesn’t mean I’m gatekeeping. What is more embarassing is your flawed attempt at reading basic information, fishing out info that clearly isn’t there, in order to further your views.

Much like the hypocrisy of you commenting on people crying on the forums, compared to me “crying” at people’s incompetence ingame. Why should I stop giving constructive feedback and criticism in-game, which could lead to my victory, when you can’t even accept criticism on the forums? Your lack of ability to understand clear, concise sentences, written to explain to you why people complain sure whoosh straight over your head, regardless of how much I try to explain. So you’re a lost cause. One day, you might see how right I am in my statements, as this is fairly common knowledge, although you might be excluded from that commonality when you choose to read rather straightforward sentences in a skewed, twisted way. For one so focused to improve, you sure don’t like criticism of your philosophy.

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You keep doing it.

There is a difference, by posting here you are asking for feedback.

Someone making a mistake in a video game doesn’t want to hear “oh you should have done this”. You feel free to spin it how you like. I think the copy/paste bit about unwanted advise sums it up perfectly, added to the comments you make about others.

I know you like to post-rationalise your reactions, no one is going to stop you doing that. You have said in multiple posts call your team mates thing like the I word is prohibited here.

I will just stick to enjoying playing the game, trying hard to win and improve. You have only succeeding in confirming that I am on the right path. Flaming, criticising, or whatever you want to call it this week… just isn’t worth the effort.

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The fact that you think your “git gud and improve yourself” is valuable or even remotely close to “feedback”, compared to my “on the spot” constructive criticism, is hilarious. I’m being very respectful in my criticism, and only seek to make sure we have better odds of winning. Your comments about “git gud” and “improve yourself” is a worthless piece of feedback. It helps no one, so why you even think commenting that on here is necessary is quite hilarious.

Like I’ve said many many times, it depends on the mistake, and how it’s being addressed. Quite simple, and it’s simply brought up in order to prevent the same mistakes from being repeated, if possible.

Have I been spinning anything at all? If you think I have, please enlighten me, because I’m fairly certain you didn’t rad what I’ve said if you think I’m spinning anything at all. I’m being VERY clear in my sentencing.

The first part, yes. If you refer to the second part, it clearly shows that you are not reading what I’m saying at all. And assume it’s this because it fits your narrative.

What? what do you even mean? Post-rationalize what exactly?

When I called people idi**, it would be because they fit that description. I never once claimed that ALL people making ANY mistake is an idi**. The people I call this in-game really fits the description. Not my fault that they behave as one. And if they do, and they take offense to it, then maybe they should take it to heart, and change themselves into something better.

And that’s your prerogative. It’s completely fine.

You probably are in some ways. I’m not denying that. But your thinking is not one that resonates with the majority of ranked players. You claiming you have the better view, and trying to convince others of the same, when it’s purely based on personal preference and philosophy, doesn’t really add anything at all to the conversation for most people. Trying to make people be less tryhard in ranked is not really a thing that should be desired for ranked, as ranked is by most people seen as a measuring-tool to see what rank they can get to with their abilities. Trying to downplay that would just be foolish, and doesn’t belong there. If you could convince people of otherwise with more concrete factual statements, instead of personal preference and philosophy, then your arguments could be greatly appreciated. Instead, you end up being disliked by everyone for not staying constructive at all. Simply stating that people should improve themselves(which everyone obviously does all the time anyways).
For someone referring to people as Tilted Timmy’s, Hindsight Harry etc, you sure fit the description of a Captain Obvious and Smart-a** yourself when it comes to your “constructive” feedbacks…

Again, you imply they are one and the same. You don’t know the difference, clearly.

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Again. You can think what you like of someone, and what they do… Just keep it to yourself. You might think you are being helpful, but in reality you are offering no value. People tend to not like it when some hindsight harry is telling them to do differently.

You’d only criticise because you are annoyed with what you saw… the definition of flaming is literally “used for emphasis to express annoyance”. So you criticising and calling people names is textbook, basic, flaming.

But all this sounds like you never really enjoy the games you play. Something always bothers you.

Not saying my “git gud” mentality is right, just that it is my mentality. I work on my game, I try hard to win, and I genuinely can’t remember the last match I came away from and though “well that was rubbish”. Even my one match last night where the team didn’t seem to click, I played like trash, I was still finding fun in trying to appear in places people weren’t expecting.

First half of this video is very much for Wolfie

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And I’m telling you again also: “Whether people like it or not is irrelevant to me, as long as it increases the odds of winning”. And because of this, there is no reason I should keep it to myself. I’m not doing a bad thing by doing this.

Wrong. I say both what to do in the moment(unless someone else wants that role), AND, point out mistakes made after they happen, in order to prevent it from happening again. Nothing wrong in that. Accepting mistakes by not addressing them could lead to them being repeated over and over, leading to a loss. It makes NO sense to just allow mistakes to be happening in ranked if they CAN be prevented.

Constructive criticism IS valuable, and if you don’t think so, maybe you have a problem with your ego or pride.

Again, depends HOW you use the hindsight. To learn from, or to simply state it. 2 vastly different things.

Ofcourse I criticize if I see something that is being done in a bad way, which could lead to defeat. This is also why I would want others to keep me in check aswell.
Your definition of flaming is incorrect. Flaming is defined as: "Flaming , or to flame , means to attack someone verbally online. Flaming is about hurling insults, transmitting bigotry, name-calling, or any outright verbal hostility directed at a specific person."
Which is CLEARLY not what I’ve done. I’m not flaming anything, but if you misunderstand the term, then that would explain why you would think so. So no, it’s not textbook, basic flaming at all. It’s criticism. And a very constructive one at that.

If this is what you think, then you clearly didn’t read what I’ve been writing, or you are being disingenuous and ignoring what I’ve said to spin your own version of things. I’ve clearly stated that I can even have fun while losing, as long as there is a very even match. I can also have alot of fun if my team is steamrolling, leading to a win. So no, something doesn’t always bother me, and why you would come to that conclusion when I wrote this very clearly earlier, I don’t know.

So if it’s not right, and in general doesn’t add anything to the conversation when people complain, why even bother to tell this? It’s not something that is necessary to write, as it adds nothing in terms of a constructive argument/discussion. It’s just your “2 cents”, and not really addressing the issue being raised in the first place. In other words, meaningless and pointless info that nobody will take seriously. I’m happy for you that you have your own style and philosophy, but simply stating this philosophy and personal solution will not do ANYTHING fro the people in the forums trying to address an issue.

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Your philosophy clearly makes your angry at those around you. And that isn’t healthy for anyone.

Also. Instead of typing. Watch the video. Take on board the message and then decide how you want to play.

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What makes you think I’m angry? Getting annoyed and getting angry is not the same. Getting annoyed would be more like feeling frustrated that the same thing keeps happening over and over. While being angry would be a more explosive reaction. I’m not angry, I’m frustrated. And in terms of health, it’s much more healthy to “let it out” than it would be to “keep it in”.

I watched it, the entire thing, and it doesn’t relate to what I’m describing. Just because I said some things that was addressed in the video, doesn’t mean the WHOLE thing is something I should accept. First of all, it seemed very much like a video meant for rather new players. Players who still got TONS to learn about the game. I’m not saying I know EVERYTHING, but I’m definitely closer to knowing knowing everything, than I am to nothing. Such is the results of playing a game for over 2000 hours. I know ALOT about this game, and I can, based on my vast experience, easily see if something is bad or good.
His point that the number is like a measure to basically measure your pride with doesn’t fit to me at all. I would be satisfied if I got to low masters, or high dia, as that would be accurate in terms of my skills. I wouldn’t aime higher, and go for GM, because I know my limits very well. I’ve seen ALOT of Dia, Master, GM and even quite a few T500. (both in game, and on streams/videos). And based on how the players play in the different ranks, I can quickly asses if they are better than me, on par with me, or if I’m doing better.

GM and T500 is CLEARLY above me in skill. There is no way I would be able to pull off the plays they do, even if I played and improved every single day for 20 years. No way. So I definitely don’t belong there at all.

Masters and Dia, this is the most accurate place I should be, as I am quite consistent, still room for improvements, but all in all, very consistent. I’ve seen the types of plays they pull off, and their accuracy etc, and it’s more or less the same as mine. In terms of positioning and strategy, they are also on the same page as me.

Plat is not a place I belong. It’s basically the crossroads of overwatch, where there is least consistency, because players there get conceited and overconfident, and bicker about who should lead, and what to do. It’s absolutely terrible. The worst place in the bracket to be.

Gold is surprisingly better than than plat when it comes to teamplay and overall communication. Quite a nice place to be in honestly, but I only were there for a little bit.

Silver and bronze I have no idea about. Never were there. But I imagine it to be similar to gold. Can’t say for sure though.

But all in all, his description of “tilting” in his video, was “To get so mad that you start to make mistakes”. Which is completely different from what I’m doing. So this video doesn’t really do anything for me. Having a healthy approach to the game? I already have. Criticism is not a bad thing, so nothing unhealthy in my approach at all. All I do, is trying to bring out the best in people.

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Stay calm. Improve as a player.

Which is exactly how I play the game.

But you can keep complaining about everyone around you and criticising everyone else. Even spin it to claim you are trying to help.

Just because someone makes a mistake, doesn’t mean they need you to tell them that.

Still find it funny that you think you belong in a specific rank, and I agree with the video that probably explains a lot.

But instead of typing about it, go and prove me wrong. Personally, I think you are a Plat player, because you are in Plat. Just like I am a plat player, wolfie is a silver player and so on.

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Wow really, another troll remark. All I know is, you speak total garbage, you’re delusional, and have no clue. I’m done with this conversation. You’re literally arguing with someone that’s better than you xD but I know you’re very bored with life, so continue.

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He might be better. But his in game attitude is questionable,

You make that remark like I am bothered by what someone else skill/rank or what ever metric you look at is…

I worry about my skill, and whether or not I can play well on a consistent basis. And I believe my win rates show that if you do that… You win more than you lose.

(also, no troll, was just highlighting it to you so you can watch and maybe it will make you think)

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As do I. I’m VERY calm. Pointing out mistakes of others, and apologizing for my own, is meant to raise morale, and to attempt to make sure the same mistakes doesn’t happen twice or more in the same match. That’s literally it. If you think it’s something more or something else, then you are just terribly wrong, I’m afraid.

I don’t do this, and I never said I am complaining all the time. This is info you have extrapolated from somewhere, but it’s not related to me. So why you are putting me in this category, is a huge mystery. And again, I’m not spinning anything at all, simply explaining it as it is. Why you create something out of nothing, and link it to me, is quite strange. If only you would hear what I’m saying…

They might not need me to, but I’m not going to take a chance. If it’s to help assure a victory for me, then ofcourse I’m going to point it out, unless they do it themselves first. If they did point out their own mistakes, I would just go: “don’t worry man, happens to the best of us”. If they say nothing at all, I’ll point it out, and they either listen and learn, or, they apologize for making a mistake. Happens all the time in my games btw, and none of them complain. I have met people responding with calling me every name under the sun, and a very… colorful vocabulary. But they just get reported for toxicity anyways. If they have such a feeble pride and ego, then I don’t care. I’ll just report them, and be on my way. But still, better to point it out, JUST IN CASE they made an honest mistake. If it’s no mistake, and their focus is wildly misplaced, then it’s better to give them a focus that will work in the team’s favor. That simple.

Because I have seen all ranks, played all ranks, played the game ALOT, and thus have alot of experience. I’m quite knowledgeable, although you might think of this statement as arrogance, I can assure you it’s not. I’m sure you would be very knowledgable with more than 2000 hours behind you aswell. It comes naturally over time. For everyone. So yes, I do think I have a fairly clear picture of where I should be in the ladder. Which is also why I’m not being overconfident and saying I should be in GM or T500, as I know that this is beyond me. I’m simply giving myself an objective grading, based on my overall performance compared to players already in Masters and Diamond ranks. And I should, based on what I see, be in high dia, or low masters. But nothing more, nothing less. I can understand that you find it funny if you compare me to the prideful people who constantly overestimate their abilities, like a plat player who plays as a gold rank, but think he should be GM. but that’s not what I’m doing.

I’m in Dia, you can go spectate for yourself if you want. The only think I want you to keep in mind about my ranked plays, is that I mainly do my placements, that’s why I don’t have alot of playtime there. I prefer the chill and fast QP with no drawbacks. I can play super well in QP and get my wins, or I can practice, if I so please. But since I have many times before, lost rating because of others, I prefer to keep away from ranked, as I disagree with the mmr I’ve got, and I’m pretty convinced that it’s based on my personal stats, like deaths and kills etc, but those numbers can be affected based on whether I have a good or bad team. If it’s not like that, then prove it to me, and send me the research you find that shows otherwise.

Questionable? based on what? That I do shotcalling and criticize mistakes? These are not inherently bad, as I’ve repeatedly explained, so why you connote them to “questionable”, as if I am potentially doing something bad to others? I’ve already made my position EXTREMELY clear in my earlier posts. There shouldn’t be anything questionable at all, so what exactly do you think is questionable about my attitude in game?

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Pointing out mistakes of others, no matter how you dress it is pointless.

Someone tries to be proactive and make a play. In hindsight it is a mistake… Are you going to criticise them for that… I certainly won’t

If I have 6 people being proactive and agressive, and a few plays are wiffed. So be it. Mistakes happen, the tried to play aggressively, I can appreciate that.

I can see that on 1 role you are 30sr in to Diamond, so will still be getting plat lobbies.

on the other 2 you are 2500-2600, so very much the plat games. Probably a few gold players thrown in.

We are all in the rank we belong. We have to perform and win games to change that.

You criticising… that is questionable. You can say it is with good intentions, and I have no reason to doubt that. But without seeing it first hand I also have no reason to believe it. So questionable.

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I’ve explained for you why it’s NOT pointless. Now tell me why it is pointless when you take my argument into consideration.

Depends on what they are doing. If one dude is going solo into a group of 6 players, imagining he is going to make “a sick play”, then absolutely, yes. I would. As this should be obvious to them that they ofcourse won’t be able to do. the odds of that happening is 1in100, and there is a 99% chance he would just get Thanos-snapped by the enemy team. Ofcourse I’m going to comment on that decision, because it’s basically a fail even in imagination. He would be wasting our time, and I would more or less put that in the “feeding” category, as it’s a terrible decision to do. So absolutely, I would tell him to stop messing about and doing stupid things like that. It’s not proactive at all if it ends up putting the rest of his team in a bad position.

If it’s done correctly, there is nothing wrong with playing aggressive, that’s true. But there is a time for everything. Nobody goes ALL IN, and STAYS IN, at the same time. Say you jump in as winston, when should you use your barrier? how long should you stay? have you planned an escape route to get back to your healers? are your healers safe from enemy dives? there are alot of things you have to keep in mind, and the more of all these things you can keep track of at the same time, the more efficient you’re gonna play your role.

still diamond. What I can meet is irrelevant. I can also meet masters. And I told you, I basically do my placements only at this point in time, just to get some coins for golden weapons. rest of the time I play qp essentially, as you can see by spectating my profile. And if you dig a bit through previous seasons aswell, you can see I’ve reached dia with both tank and healer, and I was in high plat with dps. I could get that into dia aswell, but the queue is so long that I can’t be bothered.

I disagree. As teams can drag you down. Whether you accept that or not, is up to you, but it is a fact.

But why? what is questionable about it? I’ve explained in detail why I do it, and it’s a very logical explanation… What then makes you doubt it? If you don’t believe it, that literally means you doubt it… What exactly is questionable about it? I’ve explained very clear, logically and to great detail. I’m not sure why you would take the position of “could be, could also not be. It’s basically a 50/50”, when based on all I’ve said, it should be painfully obvious that I’m being completely transparent here. So simply claiming it to be questionable with NO basis whatsoever, is quite disingenuous.

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Again. You can justify you actions how you like.

If you feel like you’re doing a good thing, no one can tell you otherwise.

But if you can collate the data (not anecdotes) to prove that it does indeed improve performances, then I will hold my hands up and say I was wrong.

Based on the tales you tell, and the other issues you have… I would suggest it isn’t really proving to be an overall success.

And my explanation of why it is questionable was quite clear. There is nothing to prove either way how you criticise. You can say what you like but that isn’t evidence, because potentially you might have it in your head that you’re being polite, when in fact your not. Who know. Actual evidence is needed to remove the questionability element.