Addressing Mercy nerfs

General Discussion
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Resurrect is hard to pull off, how so ? Is it harder to pull off than holding right click as Reinhardt or press e as Orisa.

Sure people might kill or CC you to stop it, but so does many other things in the game, when you try and use them. If its a pick off, you are usually guaranteed to easily get it ressed with no one in sight to deal with it, cause tanks is shielding you, sure you´re gonna die with high chance if you do it in a team fight and righfully so. It is a get to a dead body and press E, not hard to pull off.

Aiming isn´t the only skill related aspect she degrades, thats why i said “Since she would degrade every aspect of skill you might have”, if you want proof of this how come pro mercy players that played mercy 100% of the time in OWL, never ever picks her when practicing outside of OWL ? They play anything but her, unlike other specialists.

She has an easier time surviving cause of her passive heal that mind you is for some stupid reason 2 seconds faster to recharge than other self heal abilities like shields. She has one of the best mobility options in the game and on the shortest cooldown. Both of these lower her requirement for positioning and self awareness/game sense severely.

After this her beam is lock on and can never be broken unless a player leaves los for more than a second or is getting out of her range. This allows her to never have to deal with the awareness of worrying about Healing/Scouting/Damaging. Unlike other heroes that have to choose between either one, she can do pretty much all of them with one lock on and swapping between LMB or RMB as she sees fit. Another one, there are even more, but to deny these are completely mental, her not having to aim is just a whole other layer on top.

“That isn’t a good thing, this proves that Mercy is now useless (at higher ranks.)”
No it proves that people can´t get to a rank they dont belong to, unfairly solely because said hero was OP, lots of people play heroes and have touched Mercy and are top 500, Top 500 doesn´t really have any heroes that are top 500 OTP. Sure a some here and there but nothing compared to the sheer amount with mercy once.

This was because of the game being about swapping and being able to play multiple heroes/Classes of heroes. As soon as you had more than 1 mercy player, it was a problem.

And no, mercy is not useless at higher levels, unless you can actually play ana well, which requires an insane amount of skill, then mercy is still gonna be better for you in most cases of gm/top 500, which is how a hero is well designed. Cause mercy is such an easy to pick up and master hero.

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So anything related to, what i stated about EndOfTheLine is not facts ? So he doesn´t post on all mercy post made, which you can check his profile for. He doesn´t play mostly mercy, which you also can check his profile for. He isn´t lower ranked even, when said hero he only plays was massively OP for seasons on end, same deal here.

If he isn´t biased, idk what he is, there is not a single mercy lover on this forum that has as much of a biased opinion on how skillful his main hero is.

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“Mercy’s rez isn’t hard to pull off”
-someone with 3 hours on Mercy

It also makes you become a rock for 1,75 seconds which might not seem long but in a game like Overwatch it’s a lot.

I was talking about how you insulted them instead of using actual facts about Mercy :).

idk what you are, there’s not a single Mercy hater on this forum that isn’t biased.

How is that relevant, they at least has more than 3 hours on Mercy, so they know what they’re talking about. unlike someone.

Oh yeah there are no Mercy mains in lower ranks. That would be impossible that a hero like her actually requires skill.

Alright so I see a top 500 Genji main, OMG this shows that Genji is OP!

No,
There are bronze Mercy mains, gold Mercy mains, diamond Mercy mains because depending on your skill level you can be better at a hero. The reason he’s in a high rank is because he worked for it.

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I just want to say EndOfTheLine started constructive and polite (on other threads) then this guy shows up insulting all Mercy mains and EndOfTheLine personally. And of course they got mad.

I’m not saying that the way they phrased some posts is polite, but they would have probably stayed polite if the other party would not insult them for no reason.

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I am quite certain that resurrect is harder to pull of than holding right click as Rein or pressing E as Orisa.

Now regarding that ^ here is what you need to know about Mercy. Mercy is not a fighter, not even a tiny spec of one. She doesn’t need “practice outside” because yes, her kit is very simple and doesn’t require practice but Mercy is also NOT a fighter, she’s more like resource management (healing the team, powering up, tailoring to everyone’s needs. Just like a manager).

You see, this is where you’re wrong. While Mercy never has to worry about losing contact with her lock-on, this is what enables her to scout for flanking enemies and checking if other people need healing. Mercy is a close-range healer, which takes me back to the previous point you’ve mentioned up there. Mercy doesn’t need practice because all you need to play Mercy is awareness and a sense of game strategy.

Mercy is the only hero that is undoubtedly completely, 100% dependent on her team. Sure she’s got high mobility, but she also has to heal and res in plain sight, it’s never always behind a wall because newsflash; DPS don’t fight behind walls, neither do tanks shield behind walls.

High mobility on a short cooldown because it’s limited to its power. She can’t use GA as she wishes, and the distance she travels, once again, depends on her teammates’ locations.

In case you’ve never noticed, Genjis, McCrees, Winstons, D.VAs and Widowmakers prioritise Mercys in fights. Junkrats sometimes solo ult Mercys. She’s an easy shot flying with Valk or even using GA and can be killed with 1 headshot from Widow (like almost every other hero) or a headshot and a body shot from other heroes as well. Her passive is only useful in not having other supports heal her when she’s in cover.

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What mercy needs ( and she doesn’t have because she is trash designed, unless you really enjoy pressing 1 button for 20 minutes) is a dedicated enthusiast players.

Mercy pickrate has drastically fallen, that means that people played her because she was broken and nothing else, bunch of try hards just playing fotm’s.

Thats the proof that trash design hero are getting played just because they are op, and not because some players recognize that x class is indeed well designed, and actually funny to play.

So, unless you guys want her dominate the game again i would suggest a serious rework with more than 10 minutes of efforts like they already did.

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Oh yeah, we didn’t play her because we actually liked her kit and playstyle.
No, thats impossible.

Thats the reason that a lot of Mercy mains suggested ways to make her more fair and balanced because they want her to be OP.

(Sarcasm)

Mercy is still OP because an ultimate is on a 30 cooldown.

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enjoying what ? Pressing lmb for 20 minutes ?

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I never attack anyone personally, I don’t even attack people indirectly by insulting players of specific heroes. I do try and defend and shut down bullies and trolls, but even then I try to refrain from using blatantly insulting terms or abuse. I have some standards, some restraint. I don’t stoop to the level of necroing threads just to spark up a fight with someone.

I currently basically have one main objective on this forum, to have Mercy reworked because I can identify a serious flaw in her kit and I see the potential for such a fun hero, but the game is being denied that because the devs have lost their way. I’ve can see the issues and I’ve got ideas for fixing it. That’s the purpose of a forum, to debate these things.

Then, as a bi-product of trying to get the hero I enjoy fixed I’m here trying to filter through the toxic mud that “Mercy haters” produce. They’re obviously completely one track in their thoughts and overlook all the challenges associated with playing Mercy. It appears hard/impossible to talk them out of this hatred for Mercy as I tried for a while and then gave up.

Now all I really care about is getting Mercys kit fixed, but then trolls like DarkWaver will attack me, use language I wouldn’t, are very aggressive and personal about it. So, because I’m bored by this sort of toxicity my response is very short and on the nose, because I know it’s not going anywhere useful anyway. Hence the:

Which I think is about as polite as someone deserves after coming at you like a freaking animal. :stuck_out_tongue: I could have wasted my time writing out a load of paragraphs instead, but what’s the point? Better to just lay my thought out there, that I’m bored by the hatred. It’s not what I’m here for. Then FatBlu turns up, takes a quick glance and erroneously decides to judge both of us as equally as bad and as childish as each other. Which while is the easy thing to do, isn’t accurate at all.

When I said he’s “boring”, it’s because I mean it. He is very boring and I am done with trying to prove to him and others like him that Mercy requires skill to play. In actuality, I was done with that a long time ago, which is why I just ignore posts like that. I even suggested you do the same when I saw you wasting so much effort in trying to convince this very person. :sweat_smile: It’s a waste of your time and effort. I am in fact completely uninterested in the “kindergarten fight”, however, this was a purposeful attempt to necro a thread 22 days after its previous post in order to attack me personally. That warranted a quick response, where I basically just quoted his insults (which he claimed weren’t insults) and then followed it up with “You’re boring”, because he is. :sweat_smile:

This is another false assumption. I am hardly losing my cool over this. :stuck_out_tongue: Now, obviously typing out a large post or indeed anything might give the impression that I’ve lost my cool, but that’s a case of interpretation by the reader. If it helps, I can assure you right now that I’m as calm as a cucumber whilst typing this. :relaxed:

I’m not biast. I’ve never been biast. But again, why put in the effort to try to convince you? :sweat_smile: I know that’s a pointless road to go down, and discussions that don’t go anywhere are boring.

If you guys want to discuss my rework idea for Mercy or have some good ideas of your own: Practical ways to improve / fix / rework Mercy I mean, that’s why I come to this forum, to try and find people who are interested in design. The diamonds in the rough, so to speak. You don’t have to love or hate Mercy to want a well designed game, but if you want to have a proper debate it does help if you can refrain from treating others in that debate like dirt all the time. :joy:

As I said in another thread a while ago, the enemy should be bad design, rather than the other posters on the forum. I’d ask DarkWaver to cut the insulting/abuse but I don’t think that’s ever going to happen and I don’t feel like I owe him much at this point. The rest of you can carry on humouring him if you want to though.

If you want to argue about how much skill it takes to play Mercy or attack the players, toss about insults, necro threads, try to justify why Ana deserves to have a higher win rate, treat each other like poop ect-ect… Well, sorry but that’s “boring af” to me. :yum: I want the game to be in a state where every hero is viable, well designed, fun and balanced. Mercy has flaws, but she is not beyond fixing.

And, frankly… having a hero that requires no aim in an FPS like this is absolutely brilliant and something to be encouraged. OW is essentially a marriage between FPS and RPG. There is/can be a great amount of skill expression in an RPG styled hero, if she is designed correctly. Giving up on her, which appears to be what the devs may have done, is a tragedy and a completely avoidable one.

Mercy has mobility skill expression in bucket loads and there are decisions to be made with her abilities, but currently not enough imo. Res is fixable, it just requires earning rather than having a cast time which is terrible design. Mercy really needs healing output regulation and–… I’ve said all this before. :yum: Just check the link I put out to see how to fix all the issues and inject more skill expression into her kit, which is surely something even DarkWaver should be in favour of, since he thinks she currently requires no skill at all. :sweat_smile:

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Yes that is right. When you are a bad mercy a good hitscan can shoot her easily down.

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It isn´t hard to pull off, without enemies or behind cover it is just a button press. Which is where most rezzes are used. In a fight it´s not an ability you are supposed to just get off, thats the whole point.

“-someone with 3 hours on Mercy”

Yeah, also play with a scrimming team of 4.4k mercy players and against the same, both will agree here.

Hours on a hero is now a valid argument for whether or not i can talk about said hero, yet rank is not ? Now your contradicting yourself.

According to you, you shouldn´t be talking on anything that isn´t Mercy or D.va, so stop doing that please.

Again, plat Mercy player, if anyone knows how hard it is to play Mercy, it is definently the player that actually have tried her vs the best players the game have to offer.

“It also makes you become a rock for 1,75 seconds which might not seem long but in a game like Overwatch it’s a lot.”

It´s not a lot, when you doing primarily behind a shield, when opponents are dead, or at a hero who is way off from the battlefield.

Mccree´s ult make you pretty much immobile for 10 S, multiple seconds if you wanna get a kill. Is it a hard to pull off ult ? No it´s an incredibly simple to use ult. He is just so vulnerable that it isn´t practical to use and is bad for getting value.

“I was talking about how you insulted them instead of using actual facts about Mercy :).”

Do go ahead and tell me anything i mentioned about Mercy that isn´t factual. Go right ahead.

“idk what you are, there’s not a single Mercy hater on this forum that isn’t biased.”

Ofc im biased, but i am biased cause i hate fan boys that ruin the game and degrade it. I don´t bias a hero, only play said hero and whine, whenever they touched said hero. The first hero i touched was Hanzo, he was my go to hero for fun outside of hitscan try hard. Can you find a single post, where i complain about his nerfs ? No.

“How is that relevant, they at least has more than 3 hours on Mercy, so they know what they’re talking about. unlike someone.”

Again, this assumes that you are only allowed to speak on heroes if you have played them a lot, never mind the fact, that those hundreds of hours could be useless if said person has never played the hero to its skill ceiling or are facing opponents with a high skill ceiling.

Very easy to see, Tracer was horrible for 98% of the playerbase in dive meta, yet was insane and the go to dps in GM+

Is it relevant to take the advice of a player over anyone else, when said player is unable to use the hero to its fullest. Or is the other player who has used it at its peak usage and play with and against multiple people who have both hundreds of hours and a high SR on said hero just as valid.

You decide.

"Oh yeah there are no Mercy mains in lower ranks. That would be impossible that a hero like her actually requires skill.

Alright so I see a top 500 Genji main, OMG this shows that Genji is OP!

No,
There are bronze Mercy mains, gold Mercy mains, diamond Mercy mains because depending on your skill level you can be better at a hero. The reason he’s in a high rank is because he worked for it."

No again you miss the point, there have never been (and will never be) as many high ranked mercy´s as her prime op state. If you were unable to utilize that to rank up to a high rank, it definitely says a lot about your ability to play Mercy.

Players like Eeveea, reached top 500 with multiple mercy OTP accounts, all at the same time, many from bronze and low tiers. Yet now has issues staying in GM all the time on one account at all.

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I would like her russurect to be removed or nerfed and her healing increased.

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Just a small unrelated comment,I wouldn’t call 84k subs “massive”

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i agree, either remove it or put it back as an ult, and give back her healing.

either way blizzard is stuck up about it and its kinda annoying that there not addressing it.

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she became that way when they decided to rework herand gave her a new kit that’s balanced around her ress. (and pls, turn down that toxicity, anger won’t help your case)

and no we just want old mercy back, and i mean old old mercy, the one that got counter and out healed by ana.

we just want her playstyle to be more impact and fun, instead of holding lmb, and being a sitting duck when ressing a player.

and no again, we just want a hero that was fun to play to be fun again, that is why we play the game in the first place, to have fun.

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so,

What I said, trash designed hero, like many many others,

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pls know, that saying trash without context to the hero design you dont like can be harmful towards the community.
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i already have said what i wanted here.

and will not repeat my self.
other than that i will not indulge with you any longer or feed your aggravating attitude.

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if the community is made by special snowflakes that get offended because i say trash to their hero, is not my concern.

They need to grow up

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Says the person that get offended because someone called them out.

BTW being toxic isn’t gonna help you buddy :wink:

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I forget that in OW as soon as you say something, you are toxic.

Oh well fake report me then.