native speakers most likely, not really counting secondary languages are they?
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I believe the stats counted fluent speakers. So if you spoke 3, youâd of been counted in all 3. But there are nearly twice as many fluent Russian speakers than English speakers. French and German are only slightly ahead of English.
Interestingly English has never been the official language of the United Kingdom. only classed as a âdefacto main languageâ. Tried looking up what the official one is to no success. But based on history it is probably something like Old English or Middle English.
Usually with a lot of our dumb paperwork misses like that things havenât been changed since about 1100.
i mean all the scandinavian countries have english as mandatory secondary language they have to learn to pass school.
and when i speak to others in my circle all around europe we all speak english with each other.
thatâs why iâm not really ruling it out because iâve yet to experience many people saying âsorry i donât know it, i know spanish or french or german or russian thoughâ.
but yeah, i think itâs a bit silly when french people donât know english basically because they are being arrogant and think their language is better.
BTW blizzcon is on.
In England is a bit lucky dip. My school we could choose between French or German. I know others had Spanish.
Yeah Iâve got it on in the background. I am not expecting anything big. Certainly doubt there will be much in terms of details for OW2.
Theyâd be pretty dumb to give too much away. They are better off announcing a date when it is finished. Rather than forcing a deadline.
yeah i donât get that with âmajor countriesâ not learning a secondary language, for brits iâd imagine french would be the language you would go for since french is such a big language in all around the world and france is just a boat ride away or even a bridge away now right?
Yeah. French was the one that most people seemed to do. But you could drop it pretty early, so not many people learn it after about 16, unless they do it off their own back later in life.
For example Iâve learnt Japanese and recently started putting some effort into learning Old Norse (that is an odd one I know).
old norse? so basically icelandic?
thatâs really odd because i donât see how it would be useful unless you want to read old norse because i donât think thereâs a lot of people who speak it.
i tried learning french in school in addition to english but i was simply too swamped to bother with 2 languages at the same time, but i do kinda get the gist of things if i really try with french right now, but as is, if i donât have to learn it for living situations i wonât even try.
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It is basically just for myself. A small piece of history to dive into. Ever since I was a kid I loved everything Viking related, so the TV show Vikings, the new Assassins Creed game and the band Wardruna have basically lit the fire for me to learn something.
idk if itâs a good idea to dive too deep into old norse life, it isnât really as flashy or different to most other civilisations i feel like.
you could probably take a deep dive into saxons or gauls or picts and get a similar look into the old world.
Very strange. You would think a successful company like Blizzard could afford to spread around more servers, especially with the effort theyâre putting in to OW2.
itâs not only as much as that but the ability to section some parts of those servers off for different regions aswell.
because there are french only speaking servers in wow etc.
but it can be a matter of finding players too iâm sure that can make it a bit troublesome since it is a multiplayer game at its core so they probably canât even if they wanted to.
itâs just a precarious position to be in.
It doesnât make sense economically to have more.
The cost of running servers like that is pretty high. And doing it just to give a few people slightly less ping isnât worth the cost.
You could have 10 servers on the EU region and it wonât change who you are matched with. The way OW works isnât like others. You never pick your server, you only pick the region of which you wish to play in. The game works out the best server for you on a match by match basis.
So 1 server, or 100 servers⌠will make ZERO difference. The system would still work the same and you will still get the same groups of players in your game.
Because you donât believe what you yourself say. Youâre not working on learning the five languages most widely spoken in your country let alone two dozen. Even if you were you realize thats not a reasonable goal for the average working or schooling player. You can speak to the vast majority of your country because you speak a language shared by the vast majority of your country. If you decided to move somewhere with a different common language thereâs a good chance youâd try to learn it because of how disadvantageous it would be to not know it. But the idea that youâd spend thousands of hours to be conversational in dozens of languages on the off chance you need them for Overwatch call outs is well into the realm of absurdity.
The expectation would be like (but even worse) than me demanding South American players learn English to accommodate me were I to move to Peru. How entitled would I be to do that? In reality Iâd either learn Spanish well enough to do comms, or (and this is not my style but its still reasonable) Iâd accept not being able to use comms in most matches.
Its not about which language is âbetterâ its about having a shared language between a large fraction of players. If we had 0 ping issues between any player in the world we still would put players in servers by region. Because if you didnât and took people at complete random youâd make teams where no one could understand each other. Between English Mandarin Spanish Japanese Arabic French Korean Hindu German etc speaking players there is no shared language. In a team focused competive game youâd obviously region players so they could easily communicate. Its why games with large Asian player bases often have separate servers for Japan and Korea despite being an hour flight between them and having low latency between their players.
The shared language in ME is Arabic. By no means is it a universal language, and often even among those who can speak it its not their primary language. Its learned commonly as a second language because its the most commonly spoken one throughout the ME. That decision makes sense. Its similar to learning English in EU or Spanish in SA. The problem comes when you group regions of players with different common languages.
You donât genuinely believe all EU players should learn Arabic for OW anymore than you believe all ME players should learn English for OW. So stop role playing. Admit thereâs major communication draw backs to grouping regions with almost no language overlap. A huge fraction of EU speaks English and a huge fraction of ME speaks Arabic. But less than one percent of EU speaks Arabic. In ME English is a language sometimes learned by upper class kids for its business world use⌠and otherwise hardly used. If youâre not in Dubai donât expect much English fluency.
Further to this point in EU a random player would be better served learning German, French, Italian, Spanish, Polish, Russian and ten smaller languages before starting on Arabic. In ME Arabic is already a second language for many, and even Arabic dialects are so divergent the major variations have been called as different as the romance languages. Which is to say that many speakers of Arabic can not understand each other any better than a French speaker can understand an Italian. Basically they can learn the language quicker because its similar to one they know, but they still need to learn the language. The fact that Arabic is classified as a single language is largely political and rather interesting if you wanna read up on it, but the reason I bring this up is to point out any random non elite person in the ME is better off familiarizing themselves with other dialects of Arabic (or learning a first one if they donât know Arabic), or learning Persian or arguably even Turkish or Kurdish before English.
That is how different the languages spoken in these two regions are. EU and ME donât even share a single language in the top 5 of their spoken ones. A random EU player that dedicates years to becoming conversational in like 5 EU languages and a random ME player who dedicates years to learn like 5 ME languages still are still unlikely to be able to communicate. If they can itâs through English. This is how different the two regions are. And the average player can hardly be expected to be conversational in 5 languages.
Thereâs nothing inherently xenophobic about wanting to be grouped with players youâre capable of understanding and being understood by. By deciding to merge these regions Bliz has prioritized queue time over communication and ping. I wonât say thatâs necessarily a bad choice, but itâs a choice that could easily be left in the players hand as is done in many games. If you could select region between EU and ME then as a ME player you could choose between faster games with worse ping and comms in EU, or slower matchmaking but better comms and ping. As it is you donât have a choice and will get bounced between lobbies where you have good or bad ping and where often youâll be unable to communicate with a huge fraction of players. I canât see this decision as an optimal one, but even if you think its the lesser of two evils you can certainly see it has drawbacks. So if youâre gonna make an argument for why the merge is overall good you can acknowledge that. Rather than role playing that the decision is without draw backs and you honestly believe every player should learn a dozen languages to sidestep the issues that come from a change like this.
Since Iâve given this some thought and effort would prefer to read nothing rather than a reply that ignores 90% of my points. Would prefer a conversation over either of those though, trying to open one here.
I mean, if they plop a couple extra server centers in the ME and a few more in EU, maybe those wonât have to mix and match people from different regions because locals will be getting better pings in their own region than they do now.
Something tells me they probably wonât. Unless famous streamers start complaining about this.
Nah. They could add 100 more servers, wonât change a thing. Thatâs not how matches are put together. The server your match is on is the last thing it puts in place.
Sadly, for the people who have an issue with it they are just going to have to get over it and move on. Or stack with people they know.
You are going to have to search for how the matchmaker works buddy, because ping is literally one of the first things the game checks.
The order is :
- Skill level (strict if you are in competitive, loose if its quick play)
- Ping
- Time waiting in queue.
- Group size
- Account level
If the time waiting in queue is super high, then it gets prio over ping but the game will always try to put you in games with low ping first, otherwise it would get stupid. People in solo queue would be playing against stacks even with 120ms because the stack has been waiting 10mins etc.
Humans are just kinda sh|tty. Thatâs the sad reality. I also get discriminated against here in some US games because I have a euro accent. Every now and then youâll come across some dumb red neck racist, but itâs like 1/50 players, so itâs nowhere near as bad as the arabic servers. But in general I mean gamers are just toxic everywhere.
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100%.
Same here. I have come across people like that but very little.
someone with israeli flag complains about arab racism⌠cant make this sht up XD
You guys are the biggest racists/fascists on the face of the earth!!!
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Not all of Israelis, only those who believe in Zionism are the racist ones who believe in all that âwe are godâs special chosen peopleâ nonsense
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