đŸ”„ War Within - Dead even before it came out

they should tho its better than the system being bad and them just taking our money and running off with it. abandoning the expansion to work on the next like what happened in wod and sl seemingly

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no lmao
no1 cares for pretty pixels

how boring a game would be designed by you

HEY LOOK MY ARROWS ARE PURPLE NOW 
 OMG SO COOL 
 lol gtfo

sure, that’s why nobody interacts with transmogrification

you’re clueless with claims like that, vast majority of players does use transmog and thinking otherwise just shows how delusional and out of touch you are
 if you played the game you’d notice that people mostly have their gear transmogged

even in this forum thread, 100% of people including you use transmog

so it seems the opposite way: there is noone who doesn’t care about pretty pixels

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you can play dress up barbie on the App store.

no need to change an MMO game fundamentals for that.

i dont care that much about cosmetics in general, but people in the past seemed to like the green warlock fire unlock alot.

Same with new druid forms to choose from

We honestly do not have that many ways to change our spell effects especially with glyphs system basicly being abandoned

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ill put an end to this convo before it continues.

hero talents are here to stay.

peace.

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The thing is, this is simply a new system, the only similarity they share with covenants is a talent tree but thats innevitable.
It’s not a bad idea though, you can say you dislike it or think it’s bad, but unless you can truly explain why this is objectively bad, I will continue to enjoy them and if they aren’t for you and TWW is dead for you then I humbly ask you to stop playing that way you can be happier and you dont spread the neativity for no reason, cause that’s essentially wht this thread is, unnecessary negativity for attention.

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I made a mistake. Its Prot/Fury. Which is worse.

Prot warriors dont need more damage. Its a tank. They need survivability. And Fury does not use Thunderclap, even though a ton of talents buff Thunderclap.

So in order to make something like that work, you need the same talents but if you are prot it works with Thunderclap, if you are Fury it works with Raging Blow / Bloodthirst.

Which begs the question: If to make it work you need to basically split the talent tree in 2 parts depending on what spec you play
 then just make 1 for prot, 1 for fury. EZ.

A random fact for a pointless thread.

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Damn that’s more interesting then this thread

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I agree. The hero talents will be a big fiasco. People will want to play their preferred hero tree for aesthetics and fantasy, but will be forced to play what sims best.

Same thing as the covenants. History repeating itself.

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No they’re not. Covenants were tied to rep (with the soulbind system) and a faction. Also it was pretty clear from the start covenants were going to be another borrowed power system, though in the end they integrated the core abilities into the new talent trees.

Hero talents are permanent - at least until they revamp the talent system but I doubt they will soon. Since they are actual talents integrated into your core class talent trees on the same tab they will likely stay when WW ends.

Like with all talent trees basically? You only have so many points so if you want x you can’t have y, and x is meta so tough luck. It’s not ideal but it’s either this or back to the MoP design where you had only a few rows every 15 levels.

There is if you don’t care about meta, and how the talents are balanced is not yet known. There are articles about every hero talent spec on wowhead that are predictions, not facts.

False. There was outrage about the priest talents and they came out and said they were gonna change them.

They did, see above (or wowhead)

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Gigachad priest right here

That was not the main problem with covenants. The problem was no easy way to change covenant. Change of covenant needed WQs grind and reset covenant progress. Therefore if you need different covenants for different content types, of different specs, or your covenant was significantly nerfed, or you’ve just made a bad decision in the start - you’re screwed.
Talents which you can change freely at any point of time and have different builds have no such problem.

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Bellular? Is that you?

Power tied to aesthetics.

huh? so the entire class system is bad design to you? Please use your logic for anything else and it falls apart, be better.

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The issue with the covenants was mainly that it tied you into one when you needed various for different content (they didn’t allow you to freely swap until a lot later in the game). Most felt it would have been better to tie in to one aesthetically and treat the abilities like a talent tree.

So I don’t see the similarity to Hero Talents.

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Yes, for bottom 1% worst players it doesn’t matter as much. Or rather, they don’t care it matters. Like with covenants.

I already explained why it can’t be balanced.

It ties in class fantasy (“Dark Ranger”
) with player power.
Same as covenant tied in fantasy (“Kyrian”) with player power.
And people hated being forced to play the fantasy of something they disliked.

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Hero talents force you into one aesthetic too though. Atleast you can change it at will like the latest covenants iteration I guess