This nerf to gear is just too much. I’ve never gone into a raid before and haven’t gotten a single piece of loot in 10 bosses. This is absolutely crazy.
So utterly disappointed in this gear nerf. Why not just leave it be?
Holy f… am I irritated right now.
so, are you enjoying your “meaningful gear” yet? 
yeah, drop rates suck. at least m+ is repeatable but raid really isnt worth it imo.
I have a friend who cleared normal 2 times and did 7 bosses on heroic and only got conduits.
Shadowlands in a nutshell: “Do a whole lot of something for a whole lot nothing in return.”
Raids don’t give proper gear progression really, which is kind of ironic.
Didn’t you get 3 or 4 pieces of loot in 25 man raid in wrath? And two in 10 man.
Yes but you also had vendors that gave you loot from weekly currency, We don’t have that in Shadowlands.
You could argue we didn’t have the Vault in wrath but I’m sure everyone would take a valor vendor over that.
There was fail safes. Now we’re praying to the rng gods we don’t get unlucky, with no pve fail safes.
Yes I’d take the vendor over vault any day. If I remember correctly it took a week or two to get an item from the vendor and it was not as good ilvl as the best raid drops and full sets were not available. Except for shaman totems and paladin librams you could only get those from the vendor. Then again, you didn’t have repeatable content (m+) from where you could farm decent gear.
Anyway vendor > vault any day.
This is really disappointing and outrageous at the same time. I’m at 177ilvl, I no longer get ilvl upgrade from hc dungeons, but at the same time nobody invites for mythic dungrons unless you have 210ilvl (hc raiding gear), so I had to make my own group and after 30 minutes I’ve managed to get the people we did the dungeon. No loot. I got a +2 key did it the same day. No loot. Went to LFR cleared 2 wings. No loot. Its not so fun if you think about it.
2 dungeons and a few LFR bosses and you are outraged by not getting loot? … Do you think this is just a loot simulator?
Hmmm, you should be getting some ilvl 177 drops from standard content, adding a Legendary upgrade and a token for a Covenant weapon, should help. I’m at ilvl180 on just standard content (I haven’t used the Covenant Anima upgrade option yet), Heroic Dungeons, LFR, Vault, basic Leggo and Covenant weapon token, I dont do Mythic+ or Normal/Heroic Raiding…Awesome belt, want one of those!
We do, PvP vendors.
And you’re guaranteed a choice of three items from the raid as well if you’ve cleared the entire raid. So you get at least one item 
That 35 AP is just so yummy dontcha think ? It is so meaningful
But, like you say… non of it was ‘good’. You can still see the TBC vendor loot - I think the vendor is still there… non of it was comparable to the SSC/TK/Hyjal drops it was supposed to be a bridge to. It would be regarded as the very basic 184 M0/unrated PVP gear today - if that.
So the guaranteed drop from the vault is - imo - a much better alternative. But then it’s all down to perception of gear acquisition vs time spent vs actually good gear.
Yeah - that is bad luck. And where the game is now - it’s a wrench from the previous years. We’re in a weird place now - trying to cram the past back into the newer model of the game. I’m not sure where I stand on it tbh.
No worries - tomorrow you’ll be able to upgrade your sanctum gear up to 197 Ilvl which is 3 lvl below Normal Raid Gear so you don’t need to raid for it anymore. (=
You also get set bonus and wait for it, wait for it - all upgrades are done via Anima you farmed in raid. =P
those 35 anima were absolutely worth the 2.5h. 10/10 would raid again.
Well they should buff the anima at least. I feel like just 35 anima for a raid boss is too less. Like it should minimum 125 per boss. You won’t get item but at least you can level up your covenant.
In the last 2 weeks, I’ve done 18 bosses on Normal and 8 bosses on heroic, as well as about 8 mythics.
I’ve got 2 pieces of loot in total, 0 of which were an upgrade.
I absolutely hate raid leading and melting my brain in PUGs only to get absolutely nothing. It’s such a slap in the face.
If I didn’t enjoy making my parses better and seeing my progress as I minmax my build, I would’ve quit raiding altogether (and therefore, probably the game).
Loot from Castle Nathria sucks pretty bad anyway. All of my BiS pieces for Normal Raiding come from Dungeons.
Most of my raidgroup simply disenchants this stuff at this point and we arent exactly hardcore raiders at 7/10 and a maximum RaiderIO score of 650.
Than you clearly havent played past expansions. It was absolutly fine go 3 weeks without getting single loot.
Thats not problem with amounth of loot drops. Thats issue of forced personal loot and pugging. Also its kinda hard to make loot upgrade on same threshold with so many gear sources. Specialu when pvp vendor now sells 200itemlvl.