I did this only on normal. But how was it hard, in terms of being a difficulty and coordination, to get all the healers in 1 group, and then they say; I am 1, you 2, you 3, you 4. There is no pressure here. You do it before the pull. Just type?
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We’re a month into the raid, 5 lockouts am i right? I’m no pro player and i already overgear heroic boda. Yesterday in 2 hrs my guild who is still on heroic progress did all the raid up to mekka and then 4 wipes there.
We are already zerging almost everything, mostly because we are way overgeared from m+, professions, and trash drop. Uldir in this regards was better, no trash before taloc. In boda with a bit of patience you could have farmed 2 boe mythic just by repeating the trash at the entrance.
It’s not the plan ahead the problem, it’s the reaction when something went wrong that requires coordination. Maybe the planned healer is silenced by akunda when the CC is needed, or is dead because of reason, or is stunned by the tiger etc etc.
That is about gear, I agree. I also did so much M+ that I have no item below 400.
But that has nothing to do with the difficulty of the raid. +10 is the highest for reward, and it is an alternative route for gearing up. Below the highest you get from raiding. Which is mythic. It is hard to compare the highest M+ level with not the highest raiding level… of course you will overgear heroic.
Healers dont get silenced by Akunda.
don’t heal, did not know that. =)
So, which was harder in the first week? The first boss that you did on heroic or the +10?
In my guild we just did Mechatorque on heroic, but have killed first boss on mythic three times just for the loot. Half the raid, or more, I’d say would be incapable of doing a +10 in time unless they were completely carried.
There are people in the group doing tank-level dps and dieing in the first phase of mechatorque close to every single try, yet we could kill it in the end. Bring such a player to +10 sisters in waycrest on grievous tyrannical, and you will not complete that dungeon.
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Maybe do raids for the experience rather than for the gear? I am close to 409.91 ilvl, but still work through heroic with my guild. Base level drops in there, afaik, has nothing to offer me. I do it for fun, to cooperate with guildies to overcome what to us as a collective group is challenging.
Thats like saying before you can run heroic dungeons without end to spam for titanforging.
M+ is end game content, Mythic end game raiding content. Heroic raiding is not END. You can’t compare high end mythics with middle class raiding. Sorry to break it but heroic is for hobby raiders. If the difficulty on heroic in bfa is similar to Antorus, then it is pretty much freeloot for competent players like M+10 is. The rewards are the same. M+ is spamable but don’t give azerite, while raiding is faster, has more loot per boss and gives azerite. Raiding the real end game is still far superior than M+ spaming.
BTW last time I got a weapon in mythic+ that I actually can use was uhm “never”. Till end of season 1 I ran around with ilvl 340 weapon. In S2 I got lucky and got 2 weapons in my first 2 weekly chests, but also no dungeon dropped a weapon. So much for quicker gearing
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1 person dies in the 5 its a wipe 1 person dies in the 30 you carry on point is moot .
I would say easily the 10+ was harder with the 30% + increase to the dungeons .
Yet you havent cleared it on any setting and being 404 item lvl hardly over gears it at all .
In deference to him it is possible once he has what he wants from a key that he chooses to deplete it and carry guildies through or guild alts through. Not everyone is in a mythic guild where all the other members are on top of their game or where all their toons are gear’d appropriately.
Raiding is dying a slow death due to M+, a lot of my best gear’d friends have hardly set foot inside the raid.
For the players whose main incentive is gear there is little to incentivise them towards the raid. Unless you are lucky enough for the item to elephant forge it is probably worse that what you get from M+.
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Source on raiding dieing please ?
When numbers of people killing end bosses on herioc and mythic hasnt dropped in the last 2 expacs even with subs dropping.
Im sorry i think what you are saying isnt fully true and proper raiders never have and never will solely raid for gear.
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Guilds are dying a death, and unless you are in a mythic level guild it is almost impossible to get a fully coordinated raid group who will actually use voice chat etc.
Trying to fill out a progression heroic raid with pugs is putrid with a few of them leaving after every wipe.
If M+ wasn’t in the game in it’s current form half of those still playing that enjoy challenging content would be gone offline. The only reason 10+ is easier is that it is easier to find five people who try to know what is going on and coordinate them that to find 20 or more in a dying game.
Just going by what I see in game, no numbers to back it up, lots of people running higher keys and no interest in signing up for raids.
Personally as for killing the end boss I fully intend to do so, however I won’t be trying to farm it, one kill on each boss is all I care about as I don’t need any gear from the heroic raid. So I for one will be doing far less raiding than I used to. Previously I would have pugged most bosses every week if not on farm in guild.
So no actual facts ok . Well wowprogress and other sites publish the stats and most people i know and raid with do it for the challenge not the gear and have ni problems with sign ups as BFD is a really good raid.
The challenge is in killing each boss once. Raids previously had longevity because of gear chasing. I can only assume you are either in a mythic guild, or a guild with ambitions beyond heroic, because very few actual heroic level guilds actually exist anymore.
Wrong most of my fellow raiders and friends have raided since TBC with multi kills on each boss.
1 kill might be enough for you but for many others it is not.
Some guilda run for TF/WF to help mythic progress
Also to set speed kills.
I dont mean to be rude but your views are just views and not solid facts .
Infact from what i see from last 2 world first races and mythic + run really well side by side and suit all types of player.
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That is a very tiny percentage of people you are talking about. You are definitely in the ivory tower of a mythic guild if you think that this is what is happening below that level of raiding.