Hey everyone, I’ve noticed a significant number of “bring back” posts regarding 2H Enhancement Shamans. Personally, I’m not in favor of reintroducing 2H Enhancement Shamans for a few reasons. Let’s take Frost DKs as an example to understand the potential issues. Firstly, the loot system would need to drop both 2H and 1H weapons for Shamans, which could be inconvenient if you have a preference for one type over the other. Additionally, acquiring suitable loot overall would become more challenging. Secondly, the talent system would require specific talents for both 2H and 2x1H options, limiting the flexibility in choosing talents.
Even if the implementation were possible, there’s no guarantee that 2H would function as desired. The chances of Windfury procs resembling their Classic/TBC counterparts are slim. While it created some exciting moments, the original design was flawed and unintentional. Considering that retail WoW is distinct from its older versions, it’s unlikely that Blizzard would endorse such gameplay. If 2H Enhancement Shamans were reintroduced, it would likely be a different iteration altogether, different from what people might expect.
I’ve seen some arguments based on lore, suggesting that 2H weapons like the original Doomhammer were used by Enhancement Shamans. However, in Warcraft 3, most Enhancement Shamans were actually depicted using 1H fist weapons, making the use of 2H weapons relatively rare.
Then lets take Frost DK for example like you said .1:Still for Frost Dks 1handers and 2handers drop it didnt create any problem.
2: Frost DK talents aren’t made with Specific talents for 2handers or 1handers all function overall for Both so no talent overhaul is needed.
3: to have same effect from windfury procs for 2 handers all you need to do is simple increase proc chance compared to attacks made per second from 1 hander Same was done with Frost DK simply a passive talent was added to have higher Proc % because , Overall abillity dmg stays the same as 1handersx2 and 2h weapons nowdays ingame have Same exact amount of stats.
4: no need to dull the game and always “keep stuff as they are because You just don’t wanna see it” the game needs more horizontal Options and abillity to choose simple as that .
5: besides Thrall We have aswell Vol jin which was a hero shaman/Shadow hunter in Wc3 and WoW that used 2handed glavie in warcraft 3 + in wow , yes we had aswell “Shaman Unit” in wc3 which wielded 1 Fist weapon And casted only Purge,Lightning Shield + we had “Troll witch doctor” who used shaman abillities aswell “Healing totem” + “sentry totem”+ “Stasis Trap totem” that stunned enemies like capacitor totem and used 2handed staff ( you dont see eles run with 2h staffs instread eles run with 1hand + shield Which Wsnt in warcraft 3 lore but still wow ele’s have the “Option” to use it), “Spirit Walker” tauren unit used an Axe to attack units and held “Spirit orb in the other” in reforge the axe was changed to a 1 handed staff he casted “Spirit link” “ethereal shift” “ress” “Purge” , aswell as Rokhan quest in warcraft 3 that uses Giant glavie who is considered Shaman/Shadow hunter uses aswell Shaman iconic abillities.
The “significant amount” of topics regarding this just increased when you made this post instead of just saying it in one of those.
I genuinely never expected frost to get the option for a 2h back, and I don’t understand why you think with a little work we couldn’t do the same for shamans. I certainly would love the opportunity to go 2h, we already have available weapons that would suit shamans for doing so.
The only way I can see 2h shamans coming back is by creating a new support spec.
Perhaps it can be called Earthwarden with maybe more totemplay, buffing or debuffing.
Or if blizzard are so bold that they make it a new tank spec.
Then your only way is wrong , did it took them to make new Spec for frost DK to give them 2h wep as option back again? Nope , only 1 passive effect that scales their 2h to perform %wise like 1handers because of attack speed easy as that.
Believe me. I personally think that 2h enhancement would be awesome. But for some reason I don’t think blizzard will ever do that. I think they would come up with new ideas like whole new specs. And with evokers being the guineapig for supports we could see some upcoming supportspecs in the future.
I don’t say it is impossible to make a 2h enhancement spec work. I just think that blizzard has other interests.
I don’t get it why people want it back. Not only this spec was extremely RNG and clunky based on extremely rare proc that either one shots or not so you literally have 0 influence on your performance but also it won’t work with most of the spec mechanics. Slow 2 hand weapon would literally give you very few Maelstrom Weapon procs.
Do you really want a spec where the fact you kill someone or not depends fully on lucky proc otherwise you hopelessly lose? I never understood the sentiment of 2h Enhancement. In TBC when I was young and watched Beavis crit compilation I was hyped but once I played the spec more I quickly understood it was an uneffective cheese strat. To make it viable you’d either need to rework literally 90% of this spec mechanics or add 2nd part to it to work different with 2 hand. I think it would make it too complicated and might create issues like the one Frost DK has. In PvE you play 2x 1 Hand as it scales better and in PvP you always play 2 Hand. It made me not to try Mage Tower on my FDK alt as I cba learning the spec from the scratch again.
tell me my friend how come the spec isn’t RNG right now ? because its the same RNG that it was but instread of windfury proccing upon itself in wotlk they made you to have 7% to proc ascendance on stormstrike and your ascendance stormstrike to auto cast lightning bolt on the target = almost one shoting ppl while without proc your sustain dmg is so low , we are literly Outlaw rogues in legion now or the same enhance from wotlk just with 2 1handers fishing for a proc .
and easily it can be done : Maelstrom we generate from our melle abillities (Stormstrike,ice strike,crash lightning,sundering,windfury weapon procs “on one weapon”) and not from auto attacks if you didn’t know that , so easy solution is to increase 2h windfury buff proc % chance on slower weapon by the speed of the weapon compared to a 1hander like they did for frost DK’s with their passive bonuses when equiping 2handers or are you living under a rock? our offhand enchant Flametongue does literly nothing if you are not running lava lash builds , easy fix will be to give both buffs to a 2hander if ppl are running Lava lash builds.
and you have the same enhance shaman you are playing right now just with a 2hander .
Frost DKs in pve run x2 1 hander just because the PVE build is based on sindragosa breath while in pvp it isn’t and its easier to keep the buff up with x2 1 handers and because you can put x2 DK class enchants on it that helps with it.
It’s less rng because 1 hand is way faster weapon and you have the 2nd one as well. WF is few % chance and average 2h swing is between 2,5-3 sec. Also what I mean by RNG is that while you’d have lower chance for Maelstrom procs and lower sustain damage once WF would crit it would deal way more significant damage. It won’t work well with Doom Winds though as you’d get 2-3 swings during the CD. Last part is that your survivability will suffer as you will have way less procs for heals or Lightning Bolts.
2 hand Enha was never good. It was a gimmick then only time people qctually played it as the only way was Vanilla. In TBC DW was superior thanks to 2nd Weapon Enhancement and since Wrath it wasn’t even a question when Maelstrom Weapon was introduced. That’s why I don’t understand the legacy of this one shot skilless spec based on one shotting someone in a blue moon with Tripple WF crit.
I cannot see it working with the current design and I’m not a fan of Ascendance + 2x 1 Hand build either. I prefer sustain damage Enha like Cata, WoD or early BFA.
I’d like to hear a reason why do you want 2h Enhancement guys supported with a list of benefits it brings. And how you imagine it working? It’s not that I just don’t like it so I try to shut down the idea but with the current design I seriously don’t see how could it work and be viable. How do you imagine it?
you dont get it at all do you ? it doesn’t matter how much you swing proc chance for windfury will be higher on 2h wep to compinsate for lower attack per second , windfury does it dmg based on your stats not the weapon dmg that its enchanted on … 2handers and x2 1hander have equial stats stop slacking its not wotlk anymore , enhance is now more rng then it has been even in S1 of dragonflight when ppl used elemental blast as its nerfed all use ascendance proc % on stormstrike to have any burst potential are you sleeping on the forums or enhance state at general? we are more rng then outlaw rogues at legion atm.
2 hand enha was not good not because it was a “Gimmick” ppl played it in wotlk aswell because windfury could proc out of itself indefenetly and lead to just 1 auto attack random death its not the case anymore as blizz limited that (Windfury doesn’t proc out of windfury anymore).
if you didn’t notice we still one shot ppl with the right proc as do all other classes some from random procs some from their general burst CDs if you dont understand this “One shot skilles spec” why are you even playing wow nowdays? you didnt get hit by 3 chaos bolts in a row in 1 second yet or what?
there is nothing that would change the spec or give enhance any abillity to oneshot with 2hander as blizzard removed the old “Windfury calculation” understand that and you might get it into your brain that some ppl want to use 2 hander and if we cant then go tell blizzard to remove the abillity to use 2handers as a shaman.
because we could and we want to use 2handers as some ppl like to use 2handers instread of floppy sticks and floppy axes on their characters, the list of benefits it brings? more horizontal options for ppl same can be said by your logic “Why add more races” “Why add player housing?” “Why give frost DKs option to use 2handers?” “Why give warlocks class quests to change apperance of their pets what does that bring?”.
ppl imagine it working simply just like frost DKs passive abillity that they get when they wear 2handers or x2 1 handers simple and doesn’t change the spec that you are playing.
works the same way it used to work for enhance you do everything you did before just with a 2hander which is slower and will have more % to proc windfury to pay for the slower auto attacks simple and no one gets oneshoted from windfury as it is not here anymore.
you dont even use 2handers you are a DH you have your own personal glavies that only you use anyway , did you cry aswell when frost DKs got their 2handers back in legion?
No. Serious people didn’t play it in Wrath. They made compilations of one shots but no one played it competitivly. Check any tournaments. Flex played 2x 1 h in tournaments.
And if 2h Enha is that good then go and play it.
Also the reason why people play 2h Frost DK is because 2x 1h is based on Breath of Sindragosa that requires ton of uptime. 2h build is Obliterate build. You play it because it gives bigger burst on Pillar and you have to win on Pillar windows.
Enha is already bursty as hell. I cannot see the reason why you’d need 2 h atm.