They did the 3 bosses how hard can it be. 
Nice one bro almost got tilted reading this
pvp gear should be best for pvp
pve gear should be best for pve
pve gear can be highter ilvl but scaled down in pvp
problem solved
All of the players have to manage 25 people? Guild leader, same as RBG.
Once learned, mechanics its should be easy. If do not know mechanics, heroic is hard also. Learn mechanics and get gear, go go go boosting.
Arenas its other world. Cos human brain replace NPC.
Its always felt that way for me. But each have their own.
This entire thread is people trying to compare scripted bosses to PvP. Iâm actually fricken winsing hahaha.
The only hard part about Mythic raiding is sticking to a schedule and getting 20 like minded players who donât mess up on scripted mechanics. Been there, wore the t-shirt.
Ofc not all 25 people but still you need officers like melee officer,ranged officer etc. Ye but last boss like nzoth takes around 500 pulls to learn mechanics near perfect so you can keep rekilling it every weak to get that 485, im talking about mythic guilds around 300-1000 not top 100. its just like that as i speak from my experience playing mythic raids. It doesnt matter that you play against humans in arena, its not the same effort, especialy now in bfa when they changed rating needed to get that gladiator. People that only play pvp are always underestimating mythic raiding and effort it takes, i suggest to try join mythic raid guild for like 1 tier and then you will understand. Also saying you play agains humans, so what? Humans are imperfect, limited, and make errors all the time.And mythic fights i mean the more harder ones obviously have many variables during the encounter, random ability targetting,overlapping of abilities etc, so its not always the same, this is not classis where you press 1 button and boss dies in 30sec in molten core.Every expac mythic raids especialy last bosses are getting more complex.Also getting that 485 is not gonna help you to get high rating, its all about corruptions now and everyone has acces to vendor, grind echoes and buy what you want.
You are able to write one sentence million times.
But youâre not going to, because itâs extremely boring to you and time consuming.
Just because somebody is able to do something doesnât mean he wants. In this case it doesnât mean itâs good design if somebody is able to do Mythic raids.
Time is also a relevant attribute.
As a CE raider from Legion days, Iâm really sceptical about this. While itâs not faceroll and just âdonât stand in fireâ, itâs not insanely challenging to get full mythic later into the tier. Itâs an organisational challenge for the officer team and a dedication check, more than anything else. If you raid 3 days/week for the entire tier and listen to what the RL says while in a group where everyone does the same and also learnt their specâs rotation, youâll most likely get CE. Rated PvP on the other hand requires more personal skill and ability to adapt to peopleâs different playstyles, classes, comps, and so on. While it might be faster to get to 2.6, itâs by no means easier than clearing a mythic raid.
Keep in mind Iâm not speaking of the world first level, but mid/late-tier mythic after all the nerfs. Method, Limit and the likes do have it hard.
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I dont understand the discussion. Ofc everybody thinks
the content he/she plays is content is the hardest. But why should that even be the deciding factor if its fine/fair?
It isnât fair because PvP should give the best loot for PvP to make people progress through PvP. Or should over 2.8k rating give 495 gear and over 3k PvP rating give ilvl 500 gear in raids? Itâs for sure alot harder to get over 3k rating then doing the mythic raid so it would be fine. And mythic +30 dungeons also give ilevel 500 from now on? Itâs fine to get 1-2 items from PvE for PvP, but this expansion wants PvPers to farm all the PvE content to be relevant in arena. I would like to see the tears from raiders if the best gear for raids in the game came ONLY from high rated arenas.
Just add a +20ilvl only in arena/bgs affix to all PvP gear and the problem is fixed. PvErs can still jump into the arena and have decent gear to start out with - if they want the best gear in arena they will need to push rating.
Yet neither of you has killed KJ.
While itâs not very hard to barely get CE before itâs removed, if thatâs all youâre getting, youâre getting to use that high ilvl loot for like, a couple of weeks before the season is over.
Clearing through a tier very quickly to get a high world rank and access to the higher ilvl gear early, and actually getting some use out of it is worlds apart from killing the last boss 5 months into a tier.
Which is what? 0.01% of the playerbase? Point being, if you wait long enough into a patch, you can outgear the âcurrentâ content. Canât do that with PvP.
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The whole point is 485 is a big advantage compared to not having it. The entire raid mythic tier is a big advantage; lash mythic does insane damage, drest, psyche and claw all do insane damage. Gush does more damage on 485 gear. The Azerite is even bis for many classes.
They should just lower 485 to 475 in pvp but that still leaves trinkets and lash
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No itâs not i saw backpaddeling scrubs get cutting edge each tier pve is a joke only top 100 guilds is challenge other than that pve players aint sh%#
Isnât this what almost every single person is doing, including every one saying mythic is hard in this topic? If we are talking about the raiders, that get cutting edge the first 2 months (9 weeks or so) after mythic is released, then they can be allowed to buy full set 490 BiS from a vendor, for all i care. We are talking about 500-600 people world wide.
But the braindead apes that takes them 5-9 months to get cutting edge, considering the fact that with all of corruption resistance bonus we do like 25-30% bonus dmg now, they donât deserve highter ilvl gear then the pvp Duelist bracket.
I know this sounds weird, but have you even considered that mb perhaps you are 2.6 in arena cause you do 50% of the work and if you are good you climb? And in raid you do around 5% or less, so even if you are the best, what does it matter?
At least Iâve killed Maiden before I left ToS behind!
If mythics are so easy, why youwith fellow 19 other pvp masters donât just go and 1 shot all the bosses. I mean pvp is 1000x harder right? Itâs obviosly not possible to predict that rogue will start in stealth and sap someone (gets me every single time!!!).
But on topic - 6 people mindlessly zug zugâing heads to each other shouldnât be getting as high gear as people who spend hundrets of hours progressing in raids.
Iâm pretty sure that if you could make a raid group of current rank 1 players that they would clear mythic raid in 2 lockouts max.
Most of them have cutting edge achievement that they get with random pve guilds.
You cannot compare pve content with 3k+ arena rating. Just watch Whaazzâs stream when heâs playing rogue and tell me if you understand anything of whatâs going on.
We are unlucky that our game director is a beckpedalling raider that hasnât stepped in arena once and doesnât care about pvp, even though most viewers on twitch and youtube watch only pvp related content.
Most viewers on twitch watch m+,raiding,and classic
btw guys why do you compare pve to pvp? i really dont see the point
ârandom pve guildsâ world top 1000
2 lockouts max? - Watch venruki, theyâve been at it for 2+ months before a clear.