Add Holy pala also to the list 
Exactly this. I can barely log on at the moment from burn out. I would be playing contineously if I could play my alts without having to re-grind cloak, cloak rank, cloak corruption resistance, corruptions, AND ESSENCES!
Literally wtf are they thinking. At this point the majority of our damage and survivability come from essences (Our classes are basically essences) and in order to play our classes half optimaly we have to do weeks of grinding before we can do anything fun?
BS game design.
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Listed as a mandatory major and as a BiS minor
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I have got 100% logs in nyalotha HC and 80-99% logs in mythic without having it. I do not PvP in bfa out of principles. Stupid as it is, and one of my specs I use in raids has it BiS, other uses it one of the minors depending of situation.
I do not need it. I am fine. Do I like the system, no - I think it sucks. But BIS is never needed to be competitive unless you run for world 1sts or glad.
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I main a 3.3k prot war pushing 22 keys and timing them whitout it. But that dosent mean that it dosent make a huge difference to have it, especially now that you can stack on versa from the vendor.
I see tanks having 60% dps increase and 40% dmg take reduced from it in big pulls, when you push high keys that can save u so many times from dying, especially on high fortified and tyra keys
yes it is. rep grind and mechagon parts also
Oh, thank you. Now I get it better.
As a personal rule, anything that comes out of Icy Veins is half the time complete bs. First and last time I took a look at their guardian guide, they stated vers/haste as the main stats. Although I found that absurd since I’d always gone mast/crit (healing boost + dodge) I tought I’d give it a try and the result was terrible. This is but one example out of many.
Same goes for feral, we really don’t need vers at all, and I can confirm that many essences are far better as minor than C&S for these 2 specs…
I see. Now, the world’s best M+ guardian druids are all using it as a minor:
And it’s among the top 3 used minors on the top logs on all mythic bosses:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#class=Druid&spec=Guardian
As a major: yeah I am not finding much real usage either
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I did not say it is ok mechanic, but I felt that the lament I had at 8.2 went to deaf ears and I do not think Blizzard cares, so i stopped caring either and still refused to put myself trough this. Time gates are stupid, needing to PvP for best PvE is stupid.
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Windwalker is amazing with C&S major too.
Might not be the max dps output, but the whole thing just flows so smoothly and you never run out of resources. Really hope SL tunes it a bit so we don’t have to get an external thing to not have an energy dead zone 
You can play without that minor versatillity bonus
Its not like the major gets affected in any way, you just get a little versatillity food buff extra
I assume this is how blizzard thinks aswell, Also
Where did this come from? granted i dont play much dps, but why does everyone on the forum think that versatillity bonus gives +2000 stat as a passive
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If you had any game knowledge you wouldnt have to get the conflict n strife essence
You never explained it …? or did i miss it somewhere?
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Rank 2 gang where u at
abit offtopic, but i never got this logic
You dont do said content, therefore you can’t
I can get a job as a stripper, but because i dont want to, doesnt mean i can’t
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And considering how many people i see without gems in their sockets & unenchanted rings, i dont think its that big of a deal 
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Its wonderbar <3 I like it
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Conflict and Strife is more of a situational BiS than a proper 100% BiS essence. It sees a lot of usage whenever someone plays more defensively, especially now, with the amount of versatility stacking. Although, as I heard, lots of PvEers complain about CnS being a BiS essence for PvE (I know for a fact that for m+, it’s the BiS for my Holy as a main essence, and BiS for Retri as a minor essence).
Also, even if it wasn’t BiS… timegating it behind a 6 week grind unless you can hit super high ratings (which is impossible at this point given the insane gear disparitry) is simply not good design. It’s just meant to artifically extend gametime.
Imagine completing this “task” inside arenas with 2 chars and when you finally go to loot the last 5 pieces you get it only on one char.
Then blizzard replies you: “it was a bug you took the essence pieces you should not get any”
AAAAND you end up wasting your time healing this warrior that stood in the smoke bomb and started calling you a noob that you didnt actually heal him inside a smoke bomb.
Creepy details here: Burgeoning Battlefield Furor on alt but not on main
At least now you can acquire it for alts as well when you get rank3, I acquired rank3 this week on this character and let me see.
6x6 = catchup mechanic saved 36 weeks for my 6 alts.
How does it take 6 weeks? you can go from 0 to 2400 in one week
Majority of tank dps in mythic raid comes from (short version):
- amount of TD stacked
- Boss uptime
Long version :
The amount of versatility is irrelevant. And then to get TD proc more you funnel RPPM 5 man group around it. And then you stack versatility into sockets like a good guy tank.
And then you add a little cheese tactics to the mix - i.e. like solo tanking ilgynoth (meaning you never actually have downtime with no-dispel tactics and even with needing to kick an organ you have add and organ cleave), or speed kills or Raden, where tank always has 3 targets pretty much, and when TD runs over it, win-win.
Now there’s xanesh/maut where you may have more ‘raw dps’, but when I look one of those guardians doing 70k -ish, sounds about right for mythic corruption stacked tank.
whatever essence you wear at this stage is irrelevant. Question is 2*18% TD or 18+12 TD+stat % corruptions.
For example my tanks logs are low sometimes not because of lack of strife, but because add-tank on maut literally does no damage, or off-tank depending on bosses may have less uptime (i.e. on hivemind I am literally away from the raid and swarm of mobs 1/3 of time, on vex I am on boss etc etc) But on bosses with no such ‘optional’ off-tank roles, I have 80-90% on my tanks (more on dk tho) - strife has less impact to any meter heroism now. Stacking corruptions is the most important.
Yup that is the evil of the essences.
Making PvPers do PvE and PvErs do PvP.
I am pretty sure that C&S is a BiS minor for Havoc as well but I am drawing the line on not getting into the rated PvP torture to get it.
Im not sure u can read. I wrote in a prev post im pushing +22 keys whitout it.
And yes its bis for the majority of the specs. If u cant bother to Google for 5 min thats on u.
With versa stacking from vendor c&s is bis.
Id say u lack game knowledge if anyone, since u dont even know how c&s and versa increase corruption work with each other
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Same, one of my alts/mains have r2 C&S
Don’t even know when and how got that - must been drunk or dunno I guess…
But R3 to unlock it for the rest is as far as the in 10 ranked win for the magetower tint…
Sometimes you just accept thing and move on
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Yes. Yes you do.
You made the claim, the onus is on you to provide evidence to back up your claim. otherwise your claim is exactly that.
A claim.
For example.
I read somewhere that a belf called Baltaa is completely and utterly useless at the game, has no notable achievements whatsoever. I don’t have to prove this because i know I’m right.
See how it works?
Good. Now toddle off and provide some evidence.