7k Titan Residuum is way too much for specific pieces

[Ghimrizz-argent-dawn (Ghimrizz)]

@Tahen-pozzo-delleternità

Again, very specific to your class and situation.
Try to think at people who plays multi role class, or have traits that are worth way way more than 300 dps between them.
I also tank from time to time, if i had to save up for bis for both spec, i won’t materially have the time to do it before those items become obsolete. Or i have to roll random many times with the concrete possibility of not have any upgrade.

I’ll return to the previous statement… Then it’s a HUGE issue regarding trait balancing not the prices of Residuum pieces. I don’t mind one trait being better then others all classes have it this way, that’s just normal. Heck if i wanted the best traits I whould need; Two holy kits, Two Disc kits, Two Shadow kits with very specific traits, since I do play all my specs about equal and not “time to time” like it were a hobby.

Since the asking price for a specific piece feels about right for one spec players. However for multispec players, the random token suffices greatly, since you can get three pairs of shoulders for the same price as one specific and use the piece for the spec it suits best.

Instead of talking prices the real crux of this matter are; If only one out of six spec traits are worth it there is quite a skewed balance between the traits themselves. All classes will have 1-2 better traits at all times, however if the difference between first, second and third trait are so HUGE that; equiping a 415 piece over a lower ilvl piece whould be a downgrade. Then the issues ain’t with the pricing, it’s that some traits are so much worse then the best trait.

Were talking 415 Azerite gear here, it’s the highest possible ilvl. Either raid mythic, PvP at highest level or buy expensive pieces… People are really so entitled that they think; 415 BiS pieces for Three specs. and even four on their druid alt. are some sort of right.

Play one spec, buy specific, easially affordable during this season. Play three specs. buy random pieces and use the best easially affordable during the season. By just doing high enought mythic+ each week.

Combine it with raiding/PvP and it’s even quicker… since you can probably find a similar or better piece in these activities. The issue here however seem to be that if you want those 415 pieces you will have to put in some real effort downing mythic bosses or PvP at the highest level, which just even further solidifies the argument of entitlement.

If you want even more residuum, go that extra mile and clear extra raid bosses, do your myth0’s emissaries and assualts etc. Or heck even go PvP and Mythic raiding and scrap those extra unwanted 415’s for 300+ resi. It’s 415 gear, it’s only required in peak content. Just doing HC, +10’s and lollygag in BG’s don’t need 415 pieces…

[Rezista-ravencrest (Rezista)]

@Mojomane-blackhand

Yes, you get a lot of TR from the weekly M+ chest, but you also get a good amount clearing the raid on all levels

Nope, raid gear goes to people who needed, not to be scrapped for TR.

@Mojomane-blackhand

doing the emissaries.

There was a single one for Azerite last week, 385 is 35 TR.

@Mojomane-blackhand

If you want to take it to the next level you can do a M+0 worldtour every week to get some more azerite.

Even if you get all of the pieces in from every single dungeon, that is 12 TR/piece.
There is not enough TR sorces for a 7k price tag.

@Mojomane-blackhand

Arena sets in TBC e.g. were timegated aswell, but also came with the grind of farming rating and playing 10+ games a week so I don’t think it can be one OR another, it can be both just as it is now.

2h Weapon was 3k points and people were getting 1k+ easility over 2k rating. There is no comparison.

[Tahen-pozzo-delleternità]

@Ghimrizz-argent-dawn

If i wanted the best traits I whould need; Two holy kits, Two Disc kits, Two Shadow kits with very specific traits, since I do play all my specs about equal and not “time to time” like it were a hobby.

The devs idea was exactly that, to carry around multiple sets for each spec/role.
They clearly said that, except making it near impossibile to have them.

@Ghimrizz-argent-dawn

Since the asking price for a specific piece feels about right for one spec players. However for multispec players, the random token suffices greatly, since you can get three pairs of shoulders for the same price as one specific and use the piece for the spec it suits best.

You have 6 pieces each slot, only a limited number of tokens available and combination on needed traits on 1/2 out of the 6 pieces.
Chances to get at every roll a piece that is suitable for one of you spec are still very very slim.

@Ghimrizz-argent-dawn

Instead of talking prices the real crux of this matter are; If only one out of six spec traits are worth it there is quite a skewed balance between the traits themselves. All classes will have 1-2 better traits at all times, however if the difference between first, second and third trait are so HUGE that; equiping a 415 piece over a lower ilvl piece whould be a downgrade. Then the issues ain’t with the pricing, it’s that some traits are so much worse then the best trait.

Traits were not balanced at launch and they aren’t now. It’s no mistery, at the point they had to add a vendor to compensate for people with bad luck not getting traits who are baseline for their spec only to screw them up with 10 week grind.

@Ghimrizz-argent-dawn

Were talking 415 Azerite gear here, it’s the highest possible ilvl. Either raid mythic, PvP at highest level or buy expensive pieces… People are really so entitled that they think; 415 BiS pieces for Three specs. and even four on their druid alt. are some sort of right.

Aiming for bis and updgrades is the base stone of the whole loot system. You’re basically saying we should instead be happy with what we got. Nonsense.
Also, i can raid mythic and get a fair share of bis azerite and ret on this is very fortunate. Still for some scenarios, azerite from dungeon is better, and for that there is no mythic raid or content i can do, i just have to farm for 10 weeks for 1 piece, or try my luck indefinetly with tokens because there is no other way for me to get them.

@Ghimrizz-argent-dawn

The issue here however seem to be that if you want those 415 pieces you will have to put in some real effort downing mythic bosses or PvP at the highest level, which just even further solidifies the argument of entitlement.

Do 1 m10 failing it for 10 weeks and get my 415 item is your definition of real effort? Are you comparing it to downing mythic bosses?
This is not real effort, this is just timegating rewards that you cannot otherwise get behind a very long grind to keep subs active.

[Gannet-twisting-nether (Gannet)]

@Tahen-pozzo-delleternità

I’m agreeing with the op, 7k is too expensive.

Weren’t you trying to convince me recently that vendors are the faster way to gear? and the reason they don’t add PVP vendors is because they want people to take longer to gear themselves?

[anon37377766]

If you do N / HC / WQs and a key each week, you can get it in ~4 weeks.

This isn’t even anything beyond casual, it assumes you play the game at a normal pace. Goes even faster if you raid M.

I do agree that the prices are somewhat high, but it has to balance itself out, Blizzard can’t just give away loot - people would have no reason to play otherwise.

[Tahen-pozzo-delleternità]

@Gannet-twisting-nether

Weren’t you trying to convince me recently that vendors are the faster way to gear? and the reason they don’t add PVP vendors is because they want people to take longer to gear themselves?

Yes. But we’re talking about different things.
General gear is one thing, tons of sources, can TF, etc.
Azerite has limited sources, cannot TF and has a huge impact in how your class play and the numbers you can push out.

I can have a crappier than other trinket/ring/leg etc and say meh, will do, while i cannot say the same for azerite.

[Gannet-twisting-nether (Gannet)]

@Tahen-pozzo-delleternità

Yes. But we’re talking about different things.

We were talking about the principle of acquisition, the item in question is irrelevant, it’s about RNG vs vendor.
So we weren’t talking about different things, however there is a lack of basis for comparison in this case because, like you said, Azerite gear doesn’t drop in dungeons.

Personally i think THAT is the underline problem and that’s what they needed to fix, not add a vendor which i still think it was a bad idea. The only value i see for it is a reminder to people like you that ~10 weeks is probably more than the time it would have taken you to acquire a specific item by running a specific dungeon.

[Ghimrizz-argent-dawn (Ghimrizz)]

Well As i said… If you want 415 pieces you will have to put in the effort. For the rest they might aswell just roll a random 400 token every week cause that’s affordable and to be fair it’s reasonable to have 2/6 chance of getting the items which you really need… heck its even 3/6 chance to get something near equivaalent to “BiS” for many classes.

People don’t need 415 gear for +10 mythics, pvp or heck even mythic raiding. 415 are pieces you can gather beyond that point. If you start doing content were the 415 azerite might be needed you will even get more residuum in the process.

I mean for mythic+ people +15’s give them 835 Resi in their chest. For mythic raiders, any spare and unwanted azerite pieces gives 115(hc) or 365(myth) Residuum upon scrapping/Disenchanting.

So simply put want the specific pieces put in that effort… Most if not all content in the game are afterall doable in ilvl 400 azerite.