You know that could have changed a lot since he left.
Morgan Day whoâs since been Lead Systems Designer and current Associate Game Director has said the same. Forgive me for not spending even more time digging through google for âevidenceâ. I assume one Blizzard design guru is good enough to illustrate how game developers approach game design. 
No, no no! Here you are shifting the goalposts AGAIN. I donât care about the âsuccess or failure of class balanceâ. What I care about, is the attention and the effort that Blizzard are giving us at this moment in time, which is significantly more than any season from either of those expansions. The consequence of the changes regarding their influence on class balance is a completely separate topic.
Simply put, I would rather have 10 tuning notes that still have âbad class balanceâ than 1 tuning note with bad class balance. Why? Because it shows theyâre at the absolute minimum trying. Which is the entire point.
WOTLK to MOP. Youâll forgive me if I would prefer more in date resources than someone that worked on the game over a decade ago.
This isnât a bad thing.
Okay, but you canât stick to one topic. Youâre going off on tangents about things which are completely irrelevant to the extremely simple point that Blizzard are making more tuning changes and doing more for arenas than they have in years. This is why the âbashingâ (itâs not bashing) becomes relevant. You didnât play those seasons actively enough to know that changes were happening to PvP, therefore how on Earth can you sit here and say that theyâre dedicating less to arenas? I donât care about the consequence that has on class balance, I donât care if theyâre âgood or bad changesâ, I donât care about Blizzardâs PTR or Beta philosophy. They make more arena focused changes now than they have in years. Fact.
Iâm also not going to take moral lessons from a person thatâs guilty of the same thing theyâre accusing me of. Youâre not a perfect do-gooder.
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I disagree. And I think weâll just have to agree to disagree on this. Which is fine.
Youâll forgive me if I donât care to invest more effort into a discussion where Iâm not getting anything but flaming in return.
No itâs not. Blizzardâs move to anchor more of the class balance to the server side of things is amazing, and it gives them a lot more flexibility to tune things on the fly. Itâs in sharp contrast to the old days where changes came in patches or they didnât come at all.
So itâs wonderful, but it isnât exactly resource-heavy for the development team to do a round of tuning every week or the other.
My point is still:
To what end?
To make a solid balance even better?
Or
To fix issues that werenât fixed to begin with?
And I refer to the overhaul of Guardian & Balance Druid and upcoming Retribution Paladin as examples of it being more the latter than the former.
Itâs still great though. Better late than never, right? But itâs stuff that would already have been fixed in a normal length Beta test. The one for Dragonflight was rushed, so theyâre catching up still. Which the Retribution Paladin overhaul illustrates nicely, I think.
No Iâm not. But I donât outright call people delusional. I think a fair basis for a conversation, even one based on disagreement, is to have a friendly attitude toward the one youâre talking to.
Anyway, Iâll round off here. This is already off-topic, and I can see that we pretty much had this conversation once before. Heh. It seems silly to repeat it even more. 
It is
this expansion and WOD were tuned for pvp almost perfectly (that they had a few months without any tunings). Are you afraid to reply to my comment up there for frequency and irrationality up there cause you know Iâm right, or?
Hereâs the reply to remind you why you are wrong
now that youâve seen this again - Iâll say it once again - Dragonflight PvP is bad, and there are some other stuff in it that are bad too - the expansion is not near good as the streamers, you are addicted to, say. In fact, in some context of the game itâs even worse than SL, BFA and Legion, but you are too proud to see or admit it. And because of how bad things and tunings look for pvp and a small about of other content - more than a third of the expansion sucks to the highest point.
itâs not (and I say this because of your explanation right after you said this, and my explanation of the endless loop)
You are disagreeing with facts. Let that sink in. Blizzard have already made more changes for arena in DF S1 than they did in any Shadowlands season or BFA season. Again, you donât know this as you didnât actively play the seasons. This makes you underqualified to comment and makes you look foolish for disagreeing with factual information and arguing with someone far more qualified than you.
Flaming? Pointing out factual truths that youâre wrong and underqualified is not flaming.
Courtesy of you. Itâs off topic BECAUSE of you. Youâre arguing against a very simple, truthful concept that so many arena players would agree with, and youâre constantly shifting the goalposts as some kind of desperation tactic to score points.
Kindly, stop replying. Youâre factually wrong and honestly Iâm getting second hand embarrassment. You do not have the in game experience that I do to conclusively say that Blizzard are not making more changes now than they have in the past. They are. Factually.
Oh my God. You two are actually bots. This topic is NOT about the QUALITY of the tuning, it is about the FREQUENCY of the tuning. Do you want me to teach you the difference between quality and frequency, or do you think you have enough brain cells to figure it out?
no - 8 is enough - itâs already a lot of work to raise your RiO on 8 dungeons on both main affixes. I donât need any more. Especially that M+ isnât the only thing Iâm doing, so hard pass on more or random or whatever.
You alone said connected quality and frequency as if frequency means quality. You gotta do better than that to kill my true statement.
Either youâre too stupid to understand why Iâm telling you this or you just know youâre wrong but wonât admit it. Sorry for slapping you with FACTS.
Hahahahahhahahahaha my eyes are burning reading anything you say. At least Jito probably isnât a ChatGPT bot. You on the other handâŚidk if itâs more insulting to you as a human or to the AIâŚ
I have not a single time connected frequency to quality. They are separate. Go ahead and quote me where I did otherwise. Lying and saying I said otherwise doesnât help your case and is a reason why I ignore you.
You certainly convey a zealous conviction that your feelings are facts, but Iâm still going to disagree with what is subjective feelings.
Which is fine! Thereâs no harm in us disagreeing. You see the matter your way and I see it my way. I understand why you perceive it as you do, and hopefully after having read my many posts you understand where Iâm coming from.
If we understand each other, then thatâs half a victory. Donât need to agree on everything.
Using pathos as a means of argumentation technique is weak, whether intentional or habitual. Feeling the need to repeat it illustrates that clearly, I think.
Anyway, Iâm off. 
just an example of you connecting the two.
You were telling Jito not to be ridiculous because you were trying to prove the point about Holy priest not being fine (quality), regardless of Blizz not changing it for eons (frequency)
Bottom line: Iâm right and you are wrong. Iâm off too. Bye, bye! 
Theyâre not feelings. They are facts derived from actually playing the game and experiencing frustrations of months and months of zero tuning in seasons. Meanwhile DF S1 has seen more than any season from those 2 expansions. Again, you would know this if you actually played the game. You didnât, so thatâs why you are calling them âfeelingsâ, since you have no experience.
Not really. You are refuting everything said by a player that factually plays the specified content more than you do. I donât even need to know about the skill level differences. The fact I have played significantly more arena seasons than you automatically qualifies me more than you to comment on the frequency of the changes.
You are perhaps the dumbest person I have ever met in my entire life. Jito went off topic and made an irrelevant point. That point being âif Blizzard make too many changes, that means something is wrongâ. To which I REPLIED ânot tuning a clear overperformer means everything is fineâ? I was replying to an irrelevant point. I didnât make that point off my own back.
Nice attempt at quoting something out of context.
Bottom line: Youâre both wrong, you both have no idea what youâre talking about regarding arenas and youâre both off as youâve both humiliated yourself arguing with a vastly more knowledgeable player. Off you go.
The merit of an argument lies in its reasoning, not with its messenger.
Or said another way: If you are wise about something, then that wisdom should be exemplified in your reasoning.
But your reasoning doesnât showcase expert knowledge â no offense â so it rings hollow to claim wisdom on a matter where you showcase none.
You are just claiming authority over and over because youâre not being given it by default. And like I told you earlier, then thatâs very childish.
On in fewer words:
daaaaayyuuum, It would never cross my mind
you got this
this explains it the best.
Iâm really off now. Thanks.
Yeah, the reasoning which is more than fair.
I play more than you, I have more experience than you, therefore I know more than you. Seems like you have too much pride to accept this though. Iâm not in here talking about KSM or raiding, since I donât play it and therefore canât contribute. You should do the same.
Bruh 
My reasoning showcases that I know more about arena and the changes it receives than you do.
Because:
Youâre delusional, have an overestimated ego and are refuting simple facts which makes you look foolish as you are an extremely underqualified player trying to argue with somebody who actively played every single season of the specified expansions. Those expansions being BFA and Shadowlands. Meanwhile this was your participation in those expansions:
BFA: 1 season out of 4 - season 1.
Shadowlands: 1 season out of 4 - season 1.
Out of 8 possible seasons across 2 expansions which were susceptible to tuning notes, you merely participated in 2 seasons. I participated in 8 out of 8.
Therefore my reasoning that âhey, I played significantly more than you, therefore I know what Blizzard did and didnât do to affect the mode of content I play whereas you do notâ is perfectly reasonable.
Like can we keep this thread about dungeons please, HĂnĂĄta (one of the nicest players from kazak i have ever seen btw) has made some valid points.
This thread is not about arena/pvp
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If you know more than me, then your posts should reflect that. They do not.
If I am discussing anatomy with a doctor, then heâs going to know more on the subject than I do. Not because he repeatedly yells that he is a doctor, but because he showcases a deeper understanding of anatomy than I do.
The same is true for the forums. The people who are wise about subjects are those who can reason expert knowledge through their posting. The being is the doing.
Going around saying that you play more, you have more experience, and that others are delusional and donât play the game, holds no persuasive value at all.
Authority on a matter is not something thatâs claimed. Itâs given. Thatâs why I said that pathos â the appeal to authority â is a bad argumentation technique to use. It rings hollow as long as those youâre arguing with do not recognize the authority you claim.
The dungeons are too few and theyâre low-budget.
Blizzard has 1 Mega Dungeon planned that theyâll likely split in 2 for future Mythic+.
I think it would be wonderful with more dungeons, but I donât think thatâs in Blizzardâs plans. Theyâll rotate old Dungeons into the mix as a way to get more replay value out of Mythic+ without needing to devote more resources toward it.
After all, in previous expansions players have been able to do with 8-10 Dungeons as well, so even though Mythic+ is a major focus of Dragonflight, then itâs hard to see why Blizzard would stretch themselves far to offer players a horn of plenty when the name of the game is clearly to do the least possible.
My only problem with more dungeons is like Iâve sad before. Blizzard is currently horrible at tuning them so if they add more that just means more headaches for most players.
SBG as an example, they have at 2-3 different points said that the hitbox will be fixed of bonemaw. It still isnât fixed.
Ruby life pools is another example with how many nerfs that were needed in there for the general pug player to not refuse to go there.
HoV tyrannical is a pain for most groups due to 3/5 bosses just being really punishing at the key level people are comfortable with. Youâll see people struggling hard at any key level there.
How many threads were there about Academy tree boss? Thereâs still other bosses in there that are worse for other reasons.
Azure vault too.
And the list will just keep growing with every single M+ season they release. Iâm fine with dungeons having different difficulties, but there needs to be some common ground because a 23 of SBG/CoS is not even close to difficulty to a 23 of say HoV.
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Blizzard have always continues to balance not just in beta
You do not play arena!!! You do not know how frequently or infrequently they were tuned in the previous 2 expansions! Youâre rambling on and on about philosophies, consequences and irrelevant nonsense instead of sticking to the subject matter of frequency of arena tuning.
Yeah I know and I can only apologise for Jitoâs incapability of understanding the most basic point in the entire thread. He/it is talking about something they have next to no experience in and completely dragging it out unnecessarily instead of swallowing the pill and accepting theyâre not as informed on the topic as they think they are.
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