If you can upgrade it to 220 you’re not gonna loot it on 200 ilvl… you’ll loot a 210 version from your 15 keys.
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If i want, don’t think i can push high keys without upgrading some gear first and pray to RNG god that the the dungeon won’t drop same item.
Pretty much same I pray for GV not giving the same loot, so i just play minimum for the gear progression anyway.
Valor system isn’t for people that only do 1-2 keys a week for a vault… it’s there for the m+ players so that they can have their own gearing progression path.
Then you’ll loot the highest version you can and upgrade from there and the system is working like intended.
chill. don’t need to pin point my reply, I am not to steal your thunder or something.
Glad you enjoy it and you think the system works as intended. nothing wrong here.
This is basically my frustration with it too. My average ilvl is 216, and I have 2x 207 pieces, and I think a 200 still lingering.
I’m competent in a 13. I can finish a 14 but tend to miss the timer by a minute. I have 2 dungeons still not timed even at a 10 because I am cursed in DoS and NW.
I won’t gain anything from valor until a time when there won’t be anything I need from it.
So… what is it for? Who is it for? My alt? But I don’t have KSM on main.
This could have been done so much better. It could have been player-led titanforging. Bad luck with shoulder drops? Keep throwing valor onto that 197 and it will go all the way to 226, even if you’re not regularly doing +15s.
We’re not going to flood the game with people who only understand +5s suddenly getting full 226 overnight and applying to 15s. And the handful that somehow do still won’t have any RIO score, so either they’re running with friends (in which case nothing changed) or will get declined until they get more realistic.
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you can not upgrade gv gear. ion sad that in an interview. correct me if i am wrong.
So i gues best way is to spam +2 M+ dungeons that you can do in 10 mins or so if you want to speed farm VP.
I kinda think of blizzard as high school bully. They grab your launch money so you start crying and call for teacher then bully quickly gives you half of money back and asks you to stop crying and be happy that you got half of your launch money back.
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We are not talking about timing +21s with 215ilv, we are talking about timing +15s with 215 ilv which is more than achievable by a person who does +10 or more.
Vault of 220-223ilv + legendary + 213pieces should give you enough for 215ilv average which is more than enough for +15.
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No you can’t but if you get a high level piece from your next weeks Vault your obviously going to use it, so if it ends up replacing a piece you’ve just upgraded a couple of ranks, then you’ve just wasted time and Valor upgrading, I guess upgrading is like another of Ion’s “meaningful” choices LMAO
The valor system “could” be a good system but this iteration is implemented in the worst way possible, absolute BS design from Blizz
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Maybe but better than having no VP system.
Point 2 is hardly an issue unless this is a non-account wide requirement (even if the ach itself is).
Another grind, another fest…
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I think this is valid to bring to light, then again I am one of those people who will use the system to gear alts. But that’s because I’ve been playting actively since day one of the release, and been trying out almost every piece of content there is up until this point. 
What they shoulda done with Valor is easy.
Every item can be upgraded by 10 on what it is at base It’s just that simple.
So if you get a 207 item it can be upgraded to 217 and if you get a 213 drop you can upgrade it to 223.
I’m fine with people doing +14s getting the higher ilevel. But to expect everyone to get +15s done across the board before starting is crazy
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pure comedy
most people cant stomach more then 1 dungeon a week 
hardcores barely can stomach 4 dungeons a week .
US forums already counted you need 47 runs on each char to cap 5750 
have fun little hamsters - run on this wheel for uncle Ion
jezus this will be such a hillarious s…show to watch
and imagine - just imagine runing those 47 dungeons to upgrade your weapon … only to next week get identical itlv from GV
and you know it will happen for soooo many people
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Of course it’s a waste of time.
the max upgrade is 220, and most people with keystone master are already above 220 ilvl anyways.
And even if they weren’t, you still have to have RNG on your side to get that piece of gear anyways. and it’s not your ordinary RNG either.
It’s 1 extra layer of RNG on top of your typical RNG.
The RNG to get the piece of gear from the boss you want, while being the piece you actually need.
So if a dungeon has like 10 possible drops for you and you’re looking for one, a successful key gives you 4% chance of success.
Goodluck. and even more goodluck if you think this is going to be fine for players.
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Why are you trying to imply that you have to do this the very second the game is available?
This entire system is for players that play only Mythic+ so that they get an additional guaranteed thing other than Anima from doing keystones so that they will eventually be able to upgrade gearpieces to help them progress a little deeper into the key levels.
If you think this system is designed as “now they have to hardcore farm this for over 40 dungeons to replace all of their gear and upgrade it” you are delusional beyond comprehension.
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You are only a long way away from Keystone Master because you choose to be far from done with it in that case. You play a fotm class for M+, you overgear +15 content and you (according to your armory and rio profile) don’t really raid either.
Keystone Master was completed way by parties way below ilvl 200 in the start of the expansion, which was also: pre-tyrannical nerf, pre-trash nerf, pre-timer increase and before the most optimal routes for the dungeons was known.
What exactly is preventing you from getting Keystone Master and getting some gear upgrades along with it for free?
This does not sound like a problem but rather a good thing. Can only congratulate you on getting full geared before the next content patch. Now you can spend your time on actually clearing the content out there while you wait.
Yes it does in fact equate to that. This is a game, which means that if someone can do it everyone can. If you fail to do something, analyze what went wrong and improve. You’re not born with a certain level of proficiency in World of Warcraft Mythic+ dungeoneering.
With that logic, why would you ever play the game? When the next expansion hits, all your gearing efforts will be wasted - might as well wait for them to release the last expansion of the games lifecycle so you know for sure that all gear you get is not wasted.
You are posting on a character that is more than capable of doing all 15’s or higher in time.
Then this system is great for you. You are at a gear level in which +15 is a pushover and you still need item upgrades. Log in and play for 10-15 hours and you have Keystone Master in the bag and thus you are magically going to start upgrading yourself all the way to 220 instead.
What other type of progression path do you see for players that only participate in Mythic+ then? The system is giving them a progression goal and a way to upgrade their 207 item level gear to 213 in case they for some reason need that extra bit of power to complete 15’s.
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Having experienced how long it can take (for more normal players) to do enough M+ to get +15 across the board during 8.3, I find that will take way too much time compared to lets say, a full heroic raid clear.
It is good news for the boosters though.
But if you’re doing Heroic raid you are then excluded from the category of people I mentioned in the part of the post you just quoted.
I also disagree, doing 8 dungeons on +15 will take about 10-15 hours of active time if you count travel time and some preparation time, as well as cutting the timers close. If you go into the Heroic raid without overgearing it you’ll spend on average at least the same amount of time to clear it.
If you’re in 205 ilvl and/or don’t actually progress it when you start doing Heroic CN then it will obviously take much less time to full clear than 10 hours.