[9.1.5 PTR] Announced changes to the Hunter class

General

  • All cooldowns of 2 minutes or longer now reset at the end of raid encounters or when starting a Mythic+ dungeon (was 3 minutes or longer cooldowns). This does not apply to Shaman’s Reincarnation or Warlock’s Ritual of Doom.
  • Freezing Trap now removes active Murder of Crows debuffs on the target when it is applied.
  • Mend Pet Heals your pet for 35% of its total health over 10 sec.
    Magic Dispel type removed
  • Revive Pet Revives your pet, returning it to life with 100% of its base health.
    Cast Time changed from 4 sec cast to 3 sec cast
  • Changes to AoE, Target Caps

Source: https://ptr.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-1-5-ptr-development-notes-aoe-cap-changes-class-tuning-weather-in-cities-324002

More details


Developer's Note
  • Developers’ note: With the launch of Shadowlands, we reduced the maximum number of targets that several abilities could hit specifically to address a few gameplay problems related to pulling a large number of enemies in dungeons. Players often refer to these changes as the “AOE target cap.” Our intention was to reduce the effectiveness of burst AOE buttons against large target counts (i.e. 15-20 enemies) while also increasing their effectiveness against fewer targets (e.g. 3-5 enemies) and communicating that strength clearly in the tooltips. The abilities that remained “uncapped” were generally ones that offered lower damage over a longer period of time (e.g. Blizzard or Consecration).

    Along with other changes, we set out to move away from “pull as many enemies as possible, use all your cooldowns and delete them” as the predominant strategy across various forms of content. We’ve received a lot of feedback that these abilities not hitting enemies in their range in any way creates a feel problem for WoW combat but is also an issue for trivial encounters like farming legacy content.

    For many of the abilities that underwent the change from uncapped to a strict target cap in 9.0, we’re converting the damage to “reduced damage beyond 5 targets.” This means that the ability will deal full damage against 5 targets, then reduced damage to each additional target beyond 5. This means that while the overall damage done by the ability increases with the number of targets, the individual damage done to each target will decrease. This solution means these abilities and their relative classes will still have a very strong niche against packs of 4-6 enemies. As always, tuning will change as a result of this shift over the next few weeks based on your feedback from the PTR



The following area-of-effect abilities are no longer maximum target capped and instead deal reduced damage beyond 5 or 8 targets.


Specialization

  • Beast Mastery

    • Bestial Wrath Sends you and your pet into a rage, instantly dealing [Attack power * 0.65 * 1 * (1 + Versatility) * 1] Physical damage to its target, and increasing all damage you both deal by 25% for 15 sec. Removes Fear and Horrify effects from your pet.
      Beast Mastery (Level 34)
      Bestial Wrath’s remaining cooldown is reduced by 12 sec each time you use Barbed Shot.
  • Marksmanship

    • Fixed an issue that caused Marksman’s Advantage (Conduit) to remove stealth from targets when Hunter’s Mark was cast.
    • Fixed an issue that caused a player’s Marksman’s Advantage (Conduit) to be removed from targets when another Hunter applied Hunter’s Mark with the Marksman’s Advantage conduit.
  • Survival

    • Fixed an issue that caused Coordinated Assault to require line-of-sight to your Hunter pet.

Player versus player

  • General
    • Fixed an issue where Hunters could capture flags in Battlegrounds while under the effects of Feign Death.

    • Arcane Shot A quick shot that causes (62.7% of Attack power)% Arcane damage.

      • Effect #1 School Damage
        Value: 0 (AP mod: 0.627)
        (Pvp Multiplier: 1.21.3)
  • Beast Mastery

    • Fixed an issue where Burrow Attack’s (Exotic Ability) cooldown was unintentionally reduced by Kindred Beasts (PvP Talent).
    • Bestial Wrath Sends you and your pet into a rage, instantly dealing [Attack power * 0.65 * 1 * (1 + Versatility) * 1] Physical damage to its target, and increasing all damage you both deal by 25% for 15 sec. Removes Fear and Horrify effects from your pet.
      Beast Mastery (Level 34)
      Bestial Wrath’s remaining cooldown is reduced by 12 sec each time you use Barbed Shot
      • Effect #1 Apply Aura: Add Modifier - % Modifies Damage/Healing Done
        Value: 25%
        Affected Spells:
        (Pvp Multiplier: 10.8)
        Effect #4 Apply Aura: Add Modifier - % Modifies Periodic Damage/Healing Done
        Value: 25%
        Affected Spells:
        (Pvp Multiplier: 10.8)
  • Marksmanship

    • Aimed Shot A powerful aimed shot that deals (273% of Attack power) Physical damage.
      • Effect #1 School Damage
        Value: 0 (AP mod: 2.73)
        (Pvp Multiplier: 1.11.15)
    • Rapid Fire Shoot a stream of 7 shots at your target over 2 sec, dealing a total of [7 * (38% of Attack power)%] Physical damage.
      Marksmanship (Level 28)
      Each shot generates 1 Focus
      Usable while moving.
      • Effect #1 School Damage
        Value: 0 (AP mod: 0.38)
        (Pvp Multiplier: 11.1)

Covenants

  • Flayed Shot (Venthyr Ability) Fire a shot at your enemy, dealing (50% of Attack power) Shadow damage and then causing them to bleed for (112.5% of Attack power) Shadow damage over 18 sec. Each time Flayed Shot deals damage, you have a 15% chance to gain Flayer’s Mark, causing your next Kill Shot to be free, and usable on any target regardless of their current health, and deal 25% increased damage.

    • NEW Effect #3 School Damage
      Value: 0 (AP mod: 0.5)
  • Death Chakram - Throw a deadly chakram at your current target that will rapidly deal (31.6% of Attack power) Shadow damage 7 times, bouncing to other targets if they are nearby. Enemies struck by your Death Chakram take 10% more Physical damage from you and your pet for 10 sec.
    Each time the chakram deals damage, its damage is increased by 15% and you generate 3 Focus.

Torghast

Hunter - Anima Powers

  • Hunter’s Spoils
    Name changed from Hunter’s Spoils to Ashen Hide
    Range changed from None to 100 yd range
    The damage of your next is increased by 20% when you break an Ashen Phylactery. Stacks up to 100 times.Your primary pet takes 50% less damage from all sources.

  • Mawrat Scent Gland When your pet is within 10 yds of a mawrat, your pet will immediately kill the mawrat and increase your pet’s damage by 100% for 10 sec.This can only occur once every 30 sec.

  • Petrified Pet Food Damage now correctly increases with each stack of the Anima Power.
    Ashen Phylacteries have a 10% chance to contain some Petrified Pet Food when destroyed. Consuming Petrified Pet Food will increase your pet’s size by 100% and damage by 20%100% for 30 sec.

  • Stuffed on Mawrats When your pet is within 10 yds of a mawrat, your pet will immediately kill the mawrat and increase your pet’s damage by 100% for 10 sec.This can only occur once every 30 sec.

Pets

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@Blizzard ? Beast cleave = Trick shots… how you can uncap one and not the other one? hello?

Welp. It’s been a god run for SV. If all hunters get uncapped aoe, rets and warriors too…

It was like that for the entirety of BFA.

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Bm got a quite big buff for aoe in 9.1.5 i see.

Wonder if it will beat out mm from its role as the primary hunter spec in m+?

Venthyr convenant ability buff is intresting since its pretty good for pvp or pure single target atm. If anything necro needs a buff.

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mm is still capped and bm will still do reduced dmg beyond 5 targets just not none. SV will probablly remain decent.

Edit:

More changes announced for the PTR

Source: https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-1-5-ptr-datamined-class-and-spell-changes-for-build-39977-necrolord-324021

General

Spells (2)

Note: The Death Chakram tooltip says 3%, but the spell data indicates that the buff is 10%.

  • Death Chakram Throw a deadly chakram at your current target that will rapidly deal (31.6% of Attack power) Shadow damage 7 times, bouncing to other targets if they are nearby. Enemies struck by your Death Chakram take 3% more Physical damage from you and your pet for 10 sec.
    Each time the chakram deals damage, its damage is increased by 15% and you generate 3 Focus.

    • NEW Effect #5 Apply Aura: Mod Damage From Caster % Modifies Buff Duration
      Value: 10

    • NEW Effect #6 Apply Aura: Mod Damage Taken From Caster Pet % Modifies Damage/Healing Done
      Value: 10

    • NEW Effect #7 Apply Aura: Mod Damage Taken From Caster % Modifies Damage/Healing Done

Duration changed from 0 ms to 10 sec

+Some stuff with anima powers.

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Edit:

Added link to new tamable pet models in the OP
#[9.1.5 PTR] Announced changes to the Hunter class

  • Waiting months on months for a death chakram buff because I think Necro is cool (survival)

  • Sees buff finally, excited. What of all the possible suggestions could they have listened to? Give it extra splash damage? A buff to the damage increase per bounce?

  • Sees physical damage % increase

  • SV AOE ISNT EVEN PHYSICAL DAMAGE

Why are they limiting the damage type??? This just hurts SV the most? If it’s too OP just nerf the % increase?

The buff is just bad, a weird, poorly thought out bandaid that doesn’t address the main issues with the ability.

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Was thinking the same.
Since release I’m waiting for Necro Hunter to be good, cause I just love that covenant.
But meh. Probably won’t ever will be.

Updates to OP:

Click here to read about the math behind the changes/how it works:

More details on class and spell changes for Patch 9.1.5 PTR Build 40078 which includes the initial removal of the AoE Hard Caps, in exchange for soft capping and dealing reduced damage beyond 5 targets.

Hunter

Beast Mastery

  • Beast Cleave After you Multi-Shot, your pet’s melee attacks also strike up to 5 other nearby enemy targetsall nearby enemies for 90% as much for the next 4 sec. Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets.

  • Multi-Shot Fires several missiles, hitting up to 5 targetsall nearby enemies within 8 yards of your current target for (12.6% of Attack power) Physical damage
    Beast Mastery (Level 32)
    and triggering Beast Cleave
    Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets.

    • Effect #1 Dummy
      Value: 5

Talents (1)

  • Barrage Rapidly fires a spray of shots for 3 sec, dealing an average of [(14.196% of Attack power)% * 11] Physical damage to up to 8all nearby enemies in front of you. Usable while moving. Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets.

Marksmanship

  • Multi-Shot Fires several missiles, hitting your current target and up to 5all enemies within 10 yards for (41.2% of Attack power) Physical damage. Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets.

Talents (1)

  • Explosive Shot Fires an explosive shot at your target. After 3 sec, the shot will explode, dealing (188.5% of Attack power) Fire damage to up to 6all enemies within 8 yards. Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets.

    • NEW Effect #2 Dummy
      Value: 5

Survival

  • Carve A sweeping attack that strikes up to 5all enemies in front of you for (28% of Attack power) Physical damage.
    Survival (Level 32)
    Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets.
    Survival (Level 32)
    Reduces the remaining cooldown on Wildfire Bomb by 1 sec for each target hit
    , up to 5 sec

Talents (1)

  • Butchery Attack up to 5all nearby enemies in a flurry of strikes, inflicting (88% of Attack power) Physical damage to each.
    Survival (Level 32)
    Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets.
    Survival (Level 32)
    Reduces the remaining cooldown on Wildfire Bomb by 1 sec for each target hit
    , up to 5 sec

General

  • Bag of Munitions Death Chakram now also applies Explosive Shot to every target it hits.
    Explosive Shot
    Fires an explosive shot at your target. After 3 sec, the shot will explode, dealing (188.5% of Attack power) Fire damage to up to 6all enemies within 8 yards. Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets.

  • Death Chakram Throw a deadly chakram at your current target that will rapidly deal (31.6% of Attack power) Shadow damage 7 times, bouncing to other targets if they are nearby. Enemies struck by your Death Chakram take 3%10% more Physical damage from you and your pet for 10 sec.until canceled.
    Each time the chakram deals damage, its damage is increased by 15% and you generate 3 Focus.

Death Chakram


  • REMOVED Effect #1 School Damage
    Value: 0 (AP mod: 0.316)

  • REMOVED Effect #5 Apply Aura: Mod Damage From Caster % Modifies Buff Duration
    Value: 10

  • REMOVED Effect #6 Apply Aura: Mod Damage Taken From Caster Pet % Modifies Damage/Healing Done
    Value: 10

  • REMOVED Effect #7 Apply Aura: Mod Damage Taken From Caster % Modifies Damage/Healing Done
    Value: 10


  • NEW Effect #2 Apply Aura: Mod Damage From Caster % Modifies Buff Duration
    Value: 10

  • NEW Effect #3 Apply Aura: Mod Damage Taken From Caster Pet % Modifies Damage/Healing Done
    Value: 10

  • NEW Effect #4 Apply Aura: Mod Damage Taken From Caster % Modifies Damage/Healing Done
    Value: 10


Are you KIDDING me? So SV loses its only niche which was uncapped AoE, and then that AoE gets NERFED in a way that also makes it more boring to play?

I would seriously rather have falloff damage on wildfire bomb, than this carve cooldown nerf thing, which will take all the fun out of wildfire infusion juggling

What cooldown nerf thing? You can get up to 5 sec cd refund currently since it only hits 5 targets and you will get up to 5 sec refund in 9.1.5.

Yeah i realised my mistake, ignore what I said. The thing about the death chakram change being stupid af still stands. Why can’t they just make it do a bit of splash damage and/or buff the % damage increase slightly. Of all the possible changes I feel like this is one of the worst.

Build 40196

Source: PTR 9.1.5 Development Notes - #12 by Linxy-11302

Some minor changes for hunters in this build.

Beast Mastery & Marksmanship

Talents (1)

  • Barrage Rapidly fires a spray of shots for 3 sec, dealing an average of [(14.196% of Attack power)% * 11] Physical damage to all nearby enemies in front of you. Usable while moving. Deals reduced damage beyond 58 targets.

Covenants

  • Death Chakram (Necrolord Ability) now also increases all physical damage done by you and your pet to the targets damaged by 10% for 10 seconds.

I’m still looking for a reason to go Necro Lord with my hunter.
Can this change be better than the Crit Chance Increase from Resonating Arrow?

Maybe if the targets move out of the arrow but otherwise it’s unlikely unless necrolord gets a really strong soulbind in 9.2.

And just like that - poof.
Was hoping to read something different, obv. xD

9.1 Hotfix

#https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/news/23691036/hotfixes-september-22-2021

Classes

  • Hunter
    • Beast Mastery
      • Fixed an issue that caused more pet abilities than intended to have their cooldown reduced by Kindred Beasts (PvP Talent).