[9th Dec] Clandestine Gathering – Void Elves & Blood Elves

I mean, to me it seems the organizers anticipated that things might go south at the event, so that’s a weird complaint.

From the opening post:
“Operatives - Having established the base, these Elves will act as sentries. Their blades will be at the ready should things turn sour.”

“Void Elven operatives are vigilant, and will make sure the meeting is dispersed if attacked by a larger force.”

And there was about an hour between being first spotted at the bridge and actually discovering & going to the actual meeting spot. It’s not like people just rode in and started killing. There was plenty of time and chance to react to it normally.

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So do you actually have anything to add, or are you just throwing the same crap that you’re accusing others of, Litheri?

Bubble RP isn’t a bad thing as long as it’s made clear that that’s what people want, instead of pulling what this event here did.

Not really if they don’t say that they really just want a safe zone bubble RP instead of alluding to guards having a smartboie escape plan for all those involved.

If they had initially, indeed, said that they just wanted a bubble, it’d have been fine and there’d be no issues.

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Then why all the salt on the forum for being denied in that and call-outs like “BuBbLe rP” ?

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World War 1 during Christmas…

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/thread btw

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Because it’s not generally nice to be scapegoated as the reason an event didnt do so well when all you did was go to it as a force that was even recognised may rock up in the OP.

If the OP didnt want this happening he shouldn’t have included the possibility of r happening in his post/simply said “Horde forces please do not show up” instead of getting in contact with the HM.

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They agreed to play the role of Blood Elven spies and completely went back on it.

Void Elven operatives are vigilant, and will make sure the meeting is dispersed if attacked by a larger force.

TL:DR version: We were roleplaying in a way that could have been resolved both easily and IC, not griefing.

The Myrmidons arrived as a group intending on infiltrating the meeting - this means, like any good clandestine operation, they brought people along as backup in case things got bloody. That’s the reason my character was there, and this was handled IC.

We arrived at the gate guard where there were plenty of IC actions that could have been taken and would have been perfectly fine results for all parties - sounding an alarm, attempting to fight off the group, fleeing - which were not taken. Instead, there was an hour of an awkward blue-flagged standoff interspersed with rude OOC comments in /say.

There were lots of ways that OOC coordination could have been used to make the IC experience closer to what was intended - setting up a crossRP relay channel or Discord lobby, asking about expected numbers, expectations of combat (and how to resolve it, via emotes, duels or restricted RP-PvP), having a PC or NPC character as a relay to guide characters toward the meeting as examples - but none of this was done. What was the intended action should the infiltrators be spotted, or if those spies wished to take down one of the ringleaders? This was not established beforehand, and would have run into the exact same awkward silences that happened with us.

I worked extensively with Alliance counterparts across three separate RP-PvP campaigns run by three different people - I, and most of the guilds in our circle, are extremely familiar with this process and are willing to either make IC compromises to make the session fun for all concerned or not attend if our goals are in conflict.

There were also IC mistakes, such as having the meeting be easy to follow for Horde agents without any sense of vetting or relay for the safety of the characters involved, which contributed to this, but this can be explained by characters making poor decisions and is part of IC action and consequence. Part of the consequence of involving characters at war with Void Elves (particularly Blood Elves, who have a strong personal reason to want ‘the traitors’ to be ‘dealt with’) is that combat is a strong possibility.

The trouble does not come from this kind of event per se - it comes from the rude comments we received both in /say at the time and now with our guilds being branded as griefing for taking actions our characters would take and not having the communication necessary to allow us to compromise on those actions.

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???

Yeah but that was christmas, we don’t have christmas here in Azeroth, and this doesn’t seem like some Winterveil cease fire.

As a third party, I feel I have to add my two cents to this mess.

From what I gather, OOCly it was agreed that there would be a prolonged infiltration of the event that would allow the meetings to continue and for everyone to leave sated.

A group of RPers decided to enter the event forcibly to end it, without any communication beforehand.

It isn’t bubble RP to ask for courtesy and respect. And it seems pretty clear cut to me.

To force your way into an event with the intention of disrupting it is technically not wrong, it’s a form of RP in and of itself. But it is disrespectful and discourteous. The right thing to do would be to make it fun for everyone, all involved and to communicate intentions beforehand.

Is spontaneous RP fun? Hell yeah. Is it disregarding others to barge in and smash everything apart just for fun? Hell yeah.

Both sides have a point in their own regard. But from my perspective it is improper to barge into a community initiative in this way- it actually creates the very bubble RP atmosphere that people want to avoid, because ultimately it leads to a lack of trust which in and of itself breeds problems in a community that should be about openness and communication.

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Does that mean it can’t apply to various other instances also… this just sounds like a massive cry fest about some blokes that can’t just BTFO

hmmmmmmmmm

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"The Myrmidons arrived as a group intending on infiltrating the meeting - this means, like any good clandestine operation, they brought people along as backup in case things got bloody. That’s the reason my character was there, and this was handled IC.

We arrived at the gate guard where there were plenty of IC actions that could have been taken and would have been perfectly fine results for all parties - sounding an alarm, attempting to fight off the group, fleeing - which were not taken. Instead, there was an hour of an awkward blue-flagged standoff interspersed with rude OOC comments in /say."

???

And also: Hmmmmm

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No, it can’t, that Cease fire was on Christmas, a holiday both sides celebrate. This was an attempt to gain Umbric more followers and plot treason against the Horde.

One (The Christmas Cease fire) was an act of fellowship to fellow man, the other (This Event) is an act of treason committed with the help of an enemy force.

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We’re already shown that some blood elves have defected to the void elves, something like this -really- isn’t out of the question and is hardly “WORLD OF PEACECRAFT XD” like some people here have alluded to.

I’m not really going to comment on what has happened, there’s several different versions of what happened going around. I’m not really a fan of void elves as a narrative but I think there’s some dissonance here, it’s hard to believe there’s good intentions behind attempting to get involved with an event when some of said people were also happily subverting/derailing the thread by insulting its community and stirring pointless drama over likes.

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Amen to this.

Truly the tough man of Argent Dawn.

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This is now a gang thread

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Let me whip out my DSM 5 you anxious little group of insecure back patters and turn this gang thread into a group therapy.

You’ve clearly misunderstood the point I’m trying to convey, what I’m trying to say is that this isn’t some happy ceasefire created with good will in mind. as stated in the OP:

Those who have become disillusioned with the Horde’s leadership or simply the Horde in general, especially those who are already plotting against it, can seek out the Void Elves and provide them with information. In turn, they could receive potential support in whatever plot they have in mind

This clearly was made to try and persuade some to commit Treason with the aid of the Ren’dorei. This wasn’t a Happy meet up with no bad intentions, and this definitely wasn’t an act of peace. It was an act to undermine the Horde.

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