A beter alliance battlecry?

While the horde may enjoy screaming the force horde.
I find myself(and i suspect many others) dont really feel like: For the alliance works.

I can understand the appeal of screaming for the horde.
The horde being a single nation of screw up’s that are bombarded from birth with propaganda into believing that putting the state before oneself is the most important thing one can do.

But the alliance.
Are a bunch of nations(or atleast where… We got more refugee’s then the horde these days)
Working togather to defend again outside threat.
Mostly the horde.

Whenever i hear npc scream for the alliance i want to put my pawn in its mouth.
It hurts the ears that the alliance is consider a single entity worth shouting.
Elune, the light, even united we stand is more appealing.

So to my fellow alliance fans and future horde corpses.
What do you think we be a beter alliance battlecry?

Pre-emptive: We surrender.
While funny and unfortantly accurated is not a beter battlecry.

For Goldshire hoes!

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I don’t think I can think of a better battlecry than the existing one.

As you put it yourself, The Alliance is a bunch of nations working together to defend against an outside threat; namely The Horde.

So when you hear the rally cry from the other side ‘For The Horde’ what better way is there than to shout the exact opposite.

I think ‘For The Alliance’ is a great way to tell your enemy that we also work in unison. When we team up and fight back it is ‘For The Alliance’

I have noticed when the BFA trailer launched an increasing cheering for the horde began, and even being very proud of shouting out the battlecry.
That the very different way they were used in the cinematic created a litte hate towards the alliance and Anduin.

((Now, please notice I might not have been everywhere, this is just what I have noticed where I was looking :blush:))

I can’t think of a better way than it is displayed in the BFA cinematic :slight_smile:
‘Stand as one - For The Alliance’ is in my opinion powerfull :muscle:
3:49 in the video

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Okay first of all, the Horde came about because the Alliance was a bunch of racist pigs who believed all races not in their sandbox were monsters who needed to be kept in check.

Second, yes, FOR THE HORDE carries a weight to it that the Alliance can never hope to match, because the Horde had to fight hard to make their place in a world stacked against them and become a major factor. We’re the underdogs who fought for all that we have. “For the Alliance” is just an imitation that won’t ever mean the same thing. You need a new slogan.

Wasn’t it at some Blizzard event where the devs made a joke about alliance warcry being “We’ll keep on trying”?

You do know the horde invasion of azaroth was what formed the alliance in the first place.
A bunch of human kingdoms form the alliance of lorderan because greenskin savage from an other world where hellbend on killing all life on azaroth.

Woudnt suprise me if there was.

Where is our fistbum moment blizzard?
When do we get to be pridefull on our warcrimes?

That was the fel horde. It has nothing to do with the horde of today and it consisted purely of orcs. This is what made the Alliance racist pigs - holding the regular orcs responsible for demon-controlled fel orcs and also their allied races.

PS: I deleted the second part because I had the lore wrong.

I think its a bit too simplistic to just separate them into “the fel horde” and “the Horde of today”. Yes they are two different political entities however one evolved into the other. There are still Orcs alive who took part in the slaughter of draenei, and the actions of the first and second wars. To just park responsibility for that on the few at the top is a bit naive. If orcs were these truly noble spirits then could they not all have refused like the frost wolf did? You have to concede, for many regular, uncorrupted orcs who were following those who were corrupt, there was still some appeal in going to war and testing their might against new enemies.

The humans have been subjected to this on two occasions over two wars, you might forgive them for stereotyping orcs as a lot have a tendency to follow bad leaders and do what they say, irregardless of their own scruples. Let’s not forget this isn’t simply some orcs being rude or beating them up, we’re talking mass invasion and slaughter. I’m not sure many people would be concerned with labels like racist or xenophobe when the bulk of the species In question has demonstrated on two occasions how they’re more than happy to try to obliterate your own people. Even if it’s down to their leaders, it’s a risk you might not want to keep around in case another such leader surfaces (hi Garrosh)

Additionally even thralls new horde is not free of blame. Ashenvale was pilfered and plundered by thralls new horde. Night elves have since joined the alliance. Their first impression of orcs isn’t exactly a great one either.

I’m not suggesting that the alliance are perfect or “the good guys”. But there are reasons the alliance doesn’t like the orcish horde that extend way beyond a simplistic “OMG alliance racist much?”, despite what Mr blightcaller whispers in your ear.

Regarding tauren and trolls, trolls have a history of conflict with the alliance, particularly where they ally with orcs. It wouldn’t be remiss for the Alliance to assume that these new flavour of trolls whom have allied with orcs may be similar to the last lot. Its not as if to the outsider they appear too different in terms of how they fight, appear or behave.

Regarding tauren, that’s a trickier one. Without the Horde yeah the alliance have no good reason to dislike or attack tauren. That said these peaceful cow men seem intent on defending those orcs you have major beef with to their dying breath. Doesn’t exactly paint them in a good light to the alliance does it? Remember the average alliance Joe doesn’t know what we know. He doesn’t know that the tauren have a noble spiritualism and history with night elves. What he sees is a gigantic cow man swinging a mace at him because he was trying to attack an orcish Grunt.thats probably enough for him to go “these things are dangerous and want us dead as well”.

The only race in the alliance to date who actually wants them wiped off the face of azeroth is the Light forged Draenei, as evidenced by their various texts in the incursions and when doing the hordeside pre Bod where they mention how the Horde need to be purged because they are wicked. Most other races don’t signal such a desire, rather they want the Horde disempowered so it’s no longer a second superpower and no threat to them. Once they are dismantled I just don’t see Anduin issuing a slaughter order on all the orcs tauren and trolls etc. Rather it’d be akin to giving them all a “regime change” to ensure they never grow into a power again.

After all Anduin has made it clear, he wants Sylvanas first and foremost. Nobody else has made it clear they wanna go further (we may have to ask Tyrande post vengeance) and wipe the Horde from existence.

The war for the Alliance is about what it’s always been about, neutering threats to their own existence and keeping them in check. The whole “orcs in camps” should make it clear that they’re more about this stance than just killing them all “because they’re different”.

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We got “Stand as one!” too but not so many people are aware of it. I don’t think this one is better or meaningful but at least it has its authenticity and such.

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Bbq in Teldrassil!!

Yes, some orcs from that time are alive. A major plot point is that the demonic influence slowly vanished, leaving the remaining orcs lethargic, and, as Saurfang explained, severly regretful of what they had done. Most of the orcs left from the Fel Horde knows what they did and deal with it every day. That alone should prove they are not monsters. In fact, you may say the Alliance are moreso.
The orcs greatest atrocities were made under demonic slavery, but the worst things the Alliance had done, was done out of free choice.

As for the allied races, yes, Tauren defends the orcs because the orcs defend them. The Horde has to take family and honor extremely serious because that’s the glue keeping it together. It’s what made Vol’Jin and his trolls stay.
And let’s be real, the trolls only ever wanted to defend their lands and traditions.
Same as any race want to. Yeah, their culture is a bit whack, but it only ever harsm someone in war times. That is of course to say, speficially the Darkspears and the Zandalari. There are bad trolls, just as there are bad humans, gnomes, dwarves, and satyrs are basically night elves turned to demons.

But in the end, the point is that the Horde clawed together their position as a superpower out of a want to not be seen as monsters and as a means to security in a world that wanted them dead for no reason save that they had the audacity to not roll over and die. The humans and their allies were already established and had good relations. “For the Horde” carries with it the weight of the journey from nothing to something, something great.

The one and only battle cry of Mankind :

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Yeah I won’t debate the warcry with you “for the Horde” rings far better than “for the Alliance”, it always will because it was first and it just rolls of the tongue.

I totally get that when the demonic influence slipped the orcs feel into lethargy. What I’m trying to say is look at it from the alliances pov. You have this race who insist they are not warlike, and they just want a home. One the one hand you see this. On the other hand you keep seeing them fall under the away of sinister leaders and then going ham on your lands, and when dismantled hold up their hands and go “not me! Corruption!”. Then it happens again, and again. After a while you might have to ask yourself that if there isn’t something about this race that makes them a security risk given it keeps happening and doesn’t take them an extraordinary effort to militsrise against you.

I mean Garrosh didn’t use any magic. He simply used the whole “I am strong orc, and I am in charge, and I’m gonna make the Horde great again and well take what we want” to the cheers or orcs, trolls and tauren, even though it full well implied them going against the alliance and killing them. What kind of corruption can explain this one? You protested corruption the last time, so how do you explain to the alliance why you’re attacking them this time? Because they attacked you when you were corrupt the last time?

As said I’m not saying one side is flawless. But there are very good reasons the alliance does not like the orcs. They have a bad track record for keeping their noses clean and not becoming a warband under the thrall of “insert evil influence here”. I completely understand why the alliance would want them disempowered and managed.

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They slaughtered dranei before drinking the blood , and what about theramore?

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Indeed. They drank blood when culling the draenei but the orcs started to militarise and attack the draenei before the blood of mannoroth was a cultural thing. Simply because they were being told the draenei were plotting against them. The person telling them this might have been corrupted, but why did none of the others go “hang on, really?”

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Even if some of their doubts concering their orcs were justified, it was still unfair to label their allied races in the same way.

“FOR GILNEAS” sounds way better than “for the alliance”.

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I agree. But so long as those races fight for the Orcish interest and further their militaristic aims then the Alliance probably won’t mull their own beef with said race but default to a “they’re attacking our people because the they’re allied with the orcs, therefore they are dangerous” - not so much they dislike the races (maybe except undead) but rather so long as they’re part of a political structure that has a long history of a) Orcish leadership and b) conflict with the alliance then those races have to be considered as hostile if you can ascertain they are part of the Horde.

My own thoughts are the alliance wouldn’t necessarily treat the other races so badly, they just want the Horde as an entity dismantled. So no more political alliance of those races. That and managing the Orcs because they’re the original lynchpin in the equation and all of the other races have since coopted their war. You get rid of the Horde and control the Orcs and the Tauren and Trolls are no longer security threats so you just leave them alone.

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For the boyking

That or you do the reverse to the Alliance and remove the humans, which I’m more for.