Not in the same way and not to the same extent. But you seem to only be capable of repeating the same false narrative over and over, so I guess there’s no point in explaining it further.
Proof? The degree dont matter it still affects it to a significant amount. Remember without GDKP there were bots and rmt. Why you want to have the AH there alternatives. Just trade.
What are you guys worried about? Its blizz we talking about. Just go to AH and buy some expensive material with your RMT gold and bid with that.
No gold is traded so blizz wont ban you.
Nothing will change. You will still be able to swipe, it will just take one extra step
Of course the extent matters. Granted, I don’t play much SoD endgame and don’t know the SoD numbers. But over at WotLK realms, a decent BoE epic goes for about 3k gold. That’s easily achievable by pretty much anyone at max level. A GDKP entry pot to a somewhat established GDKP is 100k and beyond. What would you say stimulates gold buying the most? A week worth of dailies or 200 days worth of daily quests (for simply the minimal barrier to entry), assuming 500g per day.
The whole mentality of “I have to get rewarded for raiding, no matter how” is just not right for me, but I guess I’m just oldschool.
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Both need to be banned. I agree
I mean, I just read this as salt from someone who can no longer buy raid items with gold.
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What is your problem? Dont you think using the AH is participating in bot generated gold?
I don’t, because atleast everything I know of that’s sold on the auction house is in reach for anyone who actually plays the game.
Edit: I misinterpreted your question, pardon me.
Yes, there is botted gold circulating even on the auction house since bots exist. But the auction house in itself does not encourage gold buying since basically everything is in reach for pretty much anyone. The same cannot be said for GDKP, since in order to be successful you have to either buy gold yourself or leech of gold buyers pots and you will eventually become rich yourself. With blood money.
Well, not anymore you won’t :^)
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300g for blue shoulders (leather) is theoretically reachable, but aswell the item prices in GDKP bad argument.
Both needs to be removed.
If you really want to deep dive into the topic though, Xaryu made some very solid points in this video about the GDKP ban;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II852IfSFDA&ab_channel= Xaryu (remove the space, forum will not let me send complete links)
I cba writing a summary though, so you will have to listen if you want the argument.
But I will say, Sodapoppin 100% should have been permabanned to set an example for the community. No slap on the wrist, no two week ban. Straight up permaban for gold buying. And remove the WoW-token, and that’s on Blizzard.
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Thank you for the video. WoW Asmongolds points are freaking good. I just start watching it.
And I wasn’t so far because
I raid to have fun. Fun equals clearing content, performing well and gaining upgrades to continue clearing more content or the same content while performing better. I have two ways of doing this: joining a guild or joining a pug.
Joining a guild is a huge time investment and there’s no guarantee I’ll enjoy the continued company of the players there, either because we’re too far apart skill wise or just because not everyone is compatible socially.
On the flipside, pugging is significantly more convenient because I can do it whenever I have time. Pugs tend to be separated into standard /roll pugs (SR added sometimes) and GDKPs. A SR pug is not at all interesting to me unless I’m undergeared and there is no way for me to ensure that the people I’ll be with will perform as well as I do. I can make my own pug and start filtering players but that’s an immense amount of effort I am not willing to put into a videogame simply to be able to raid with people who are not trying to use me for a free carry while losing rolls to someone who put in 0 effort and couldn’t have killed the boss without me. A GDKP on the other hand will not just reward me if I don’t get my item, but the leader is also more incentivized to make it a quality run since more dead bosses leads to more gold earned and they tend to take their rightful organizer’s cut.
So it’s either joining a guild with uncertain standards but at least some stability, however also expectations of being there every run. Or join a SR pug when it’s convenient for me to raid but likely end up carrying a bunch of underperformers for free, to loot they didn’t deserve with the small chance of earning some myself, while struggling on content that really shouldn’t be a struggle. Or join one of the GDKPs hosted when it’s convenient for me to raid and earn some gold or spend some but get the item(s) I’m after, then earn that gold back next week (depending on how expensive it was) since GDKPs need players carrying as much as they need buyers in order to function.
I don’t do GDKPs in SoD, partly because I play it with a handful of friends, but mostly because the content is so easy that I could clear it solo multiboxing 5 accounts, blindfolded, so even if we have to carry a bunch of trash in a pug (and holy hell, we don’t care to filter much so we meet a lot of absolutely atrocious players in SoD, it’s part of the fun at this rate to see what kind of trash we got this time) it doesn’t matter because them being braindead doesn’t make it harder for us. But the second the content becomes complex enough that SR feels like a carry run and a GDKP is still perfectly viable, you betcha that I would be going to the more stable run where I also get rewarded for my efforts. Now, instead, I’ll probably just quit if Gnomeregan is harder than BFD. For me, there is no viable alternative to GDKP if the content becomes too much of a hassle to pug normally.
Now, if the content requires at least some semblance of performance (SoD does not), I can understand the frustration from undergeared players who don’t have gold or connections to get into a GDKP, so you don’t get invited since you’re not a buyer or a carrier. But do you think the removal of GDKPs is going to make good players start carrying you for free in an SR raid? Because I certainly won’t be. The second GDKPs would get banned in WotLK, I’d quit playing the character I do GDKPs on.
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Based take. GDKP would be perfectly fine without goldbuyers.
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All those 3 can be achieved at the same time you know?
LEt’s talk about wow token - I think it is connected with the SoD ban gdkp experiment
I think you are missing a point here (like many others). They are using SoD as a testing ground to ban GDKP and preserving bots. So what’s next? Era is low profit cause there aren’t many players so it’s pointless to invest in it.
On the other hard Retail has a thing called TOKEN. Rn many buy token with GDKP gold and Blizz gets no profit out of it. Let’s say the testing ground goes well, they could extend the ban of gdkp to retail and force players to buy token with real money (and no more with gold farmed in GDKP!). At the same ime you don’t ban bots consistently (banwave every 4 months won’t affect them).
Do you understand what’s going on, right? It makes lil sense to ban GDKP and don’t fix the bot problem. But if you ban GDKP in retail you still get subs from bots and you force the players to buy the token. And you can even go around telling pepega you did for “ethical” reason. 
I have to say that’s genious.
While I’m against it at 100%; It’s a fact that even in TBC classic 2020ish; Gbuyers who got caught, didn’t even got banned, they just got the items removed, so, what’s with Blizzard not applying proper actions to those accounts?
Buying gold is so normalized, getting boosted is so normalized, gosh, even not being a social player is normalized. You may say that I still live in the old fashion way and that things have evolved, but back then people did cancel others who got boosted, or were jerks to anothers, or ninjalooted, or bought gold, or even who botted; and I don’t think that’s an age or old-mentality problem, but a common sense problem.
The reality is that we live in the frog and the boiling pot story, where we’ve been exposed to a progressive growth of boosting, gbuying, and toxicity for so long, that now we see those activities as normal, where they are totally immoral.
Their point: GDKP encourages gold buying, which encourages inflation.
My additional point: GDKP has been monopolised and milked.
Idea from earlier, now expired / locked: The gold cap is unnecessary high. Nobody needs more than 1000 gold, ever (60 mount). Everything beyond that is stockpiling to at one point circumvent something in one sit. Stockpiles lead to inflation which devalues interacting with the world in favor of interacting with players (auction house).
The naive aspect of GDKP in both videos: regular players use gold to trade - I’m either there to take an item, or I’m there to help others to take items.