indeed.
solving that problem is easy
i fixed it right here:
if i can fix it in 15 mins, why cant Blizzard, in 20 years.
Aren’t we all regular players? What makes you different from everyone else?
Didn’t give it much thought have you.
Raiding = chore that rewards me with loot so I can then enjoy doing what I like = PvP.
Do I need best PvP gear? No.
Do I want it because I enjoy being bis? Yes.
That’s what I like.
Don’t you dare tell me that’s wrong.
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classic mindset versus retail mindset. we live in a meltingpot, dont we…?
Nothing of what you wrote negates anything I said, though.
Gdkp has purpose more than any of the loot systems in a game in classic atm . Even if you losse loot at the end you will get some
compensation and it is gold. So your raid did not go without something. That is a term for puging a raid because puging raid is neverending loot loss since people r always changing, you dont have a stable grp because it is pug lol So your chance of getting the item even if drops is low anyway. So you get gold that can compensate for your time, consumables, and repairs and still be in + with gold.
No, some buy gold.
Assume a server without any kinds of whales. What would happen? We just trade. Just like when I loot Light Leather and sell it, so that I can buy a good bag.
The first stage, when people buy gold, can still be functional, it means that people like me have fewer items, but more gold. Similar to the effect of expansions - I got rich back in 2009 selling Light Leather.
The problem is, which I only discovered recently (I really didn’t care), is how GDKP organizers are apparently on Discord, report outsiders, ask for a cut, have standard prices… It’s awfully similar to a mafia.
I’m quite certain the ties between gold sellers and GDKP organizers are strong.
And this group is not “regular players”.
So this whole ban on GDKP is similar to the ban on alcohol or gambling. It’s not about the activity per se, but against those who are orchestrating it.
I share Asmons opinion to 100%.
So what is the problem. That you can lose a roll to a grey parser or that you don’t get “compensated” for losing it. Gdkp runs beg for grey parsers. Grey parsers that will get your loot, because if they join, they have the means to beat you. A grey parser is most probably a gold buyer, since if you grey parse in a such an easy raid, as you say, chances are that they don’t know much about the game.
You feel entitled to get an item from a worse player but yet you go in all fours when you get gold from an rmt. Nice.
No such thing as gdkp in retail
ALWAYS wanting a trophy for every raid. that’s the mindset classic players made fun of the entire time a “retail players mindset” they said. And yet we have so many classic players wanting to get rewarded for every raid just like “retail players”. some of them even demonizing guilds as something bad saying nonsense like EVERY lootcouncil is corrupt. As somebody who plays both era and retail and a bit of sod i don’t see much difference between the classic and retail playerbase anymore.
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its the law of lowest denominator
ALWAYS wanting a trophy for every raid. that’s the mindset classic players made fun of the entire time a “retail players mindset” they said. And yet we have so many classic players wanting to get rewarded for every raid just like “retail players”.
This pretty much sums it up completely. I hate to say it, but it seems like mr “you think you do, but you don’t” was onto something after all.
Also just like you say, I find it pretty amusing that the GDKP-apologists always cherry-pick the worst MS/OS pug or guild examples, whereas in reality it really isn’t as bad as they make it out to be.
And how would that guy that would have rolled a fair roll to win the loot feel when you come along and out bid him with mummies credit card?
People deserve the loot if they play. Doesn’t matter how good or bad they are.
You want loot based in merit then join a guild with a council.
But you don’t want merit based loot you want paid loot.
Idc. If you can’t handle getting outbid don’t join a GDKP.
i had to fix that for u.
i was against GDKP until i had a longer think about it. this ban is a bad idea. really not smart at all. it will make things worse, not better.
Half the posts claiming RTM have not spent more than a minute on AH other than to buy consums or to pawn off another green item for 7s.
Since the beginning of SoD between 5 chars I have generated a total of 2.7k gold from AH trades only. Main is a lock and I have not summoned a single person for gold cuz its too low cash.
People dont DESERVE loot they are not entitled to receive anything if they don’t contribute. GDKP fixes that if you are gonna be keeping the healers from entering the 7th spot on DPS by a steady output of 37 DPS for the entire raid you should be charged for the others people’s time. We are not running a charity or a make-a-wish foundation. People come in SR with white bow hunters, or tailoring caster, don’t even bother to get pre-bis because its their 3rd alt and there is only 2/3 resets remaining but now we have to carry for free - spirit of friendship for a random pug?!
Go find a guild with them grey logs - enjoy the bench. Or even worse a loot council.
Also GDKP fixes another problem of player fatigue - I now run all 5 chars with BIS gear on raids for the fun and gold of it. On P2 once I hit my BIS im not running the 4 alts just the guild run to help the mates and im out. Go MS>OS with 50% of the player base. Plus if something is needed its going to be on HR from now on, like many of the greedy people HR epics because they dont have to pay and want someone to carry them to their staff/sword for free like it has been in the past few days.
I have never joined a HR>MS>OS and never will. Worst system as you roll random dice to lose to a grey parser with half a braincell or equip the same one with an epic for free.
Overall enjoy the sh*tshow of poor decisions.
Sorry, but trying to justify gdkp makes you look like absolute clowns.
I started raiding in the beginning of january. For 1 month of joining pugs with sr/ms>os loot I gathered full feral and full caster gear.
You are so desperate to achieve something in an online game, an achievement that nobody cares about. Paying for items, because if you don’t have the items RIGHT NOW, horrible things will happen…?
World of Warcraft should be a relaxing activity to waste some free time. You don’t HAVE to wear the best possible gear immediately. Nobody cares if you get your best in slot items first or last, trust me. Absolutely nobody.
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i get the whole “deserve” aspect - u did years of getting better, studied guides and worked to improve - along come MoarDeepsPVPOWNS in greys and takes th eepic ib his first run, and u have not seen it in 22 runs.
that is annoying.
but “deserve” is really just a question of showing up - not all the pre-run work done. thats fair in the pug system.
if u dont like that - and i certainly dont either - dont pug. use a DKP system in a guildrun, and none of that matters. bid yr dkp-points and take the item.
on the basis of your argument, i am against GDKP.
i am also against the GDKP ban - but for entirely different reasons. it will simply make things worse.
GDKP will go from an ingame solution, that is approved and stays inside the boundaries of socially acceptable rules, to a pay to loott RMT system, and for team runners, a play for pay system. and with 2-3 accounts, treating it as actual work - there is a good living to be made just doing this. thats before u factor gambling aso.that happens in the game, same as now, but much more aggresively and cynically, and it is completely umanaged or unbannable as there is no trace ingame of it happening.
so banning soft" GDKP will make “hardcash” GDKP and its much more predatory.
gold wount matter at all. only cash.
that makes the RMT lower rates, and flood servers with cheap gold, and AH spikes to inflations u dont want to see. at some point, u cant buy raidpots because they cost to much.
thats when it gets really bad, and more ppl buy gold just to be able to raid.
both of these things are far worse for players like yourself. and teh HGDKP is undetectable using logs.
by then, given a choice, u will wish u had voted to keep GDKP and just go after RMT instead.
prohibition has NEVER worked, anywhere.
pve has never been the most interesting part of the game for me, even though there were cool patches like the siege of orgrimmar, always went there for gear