A Review of Midnight's current UI: A Promising Start That Can't Yet Replace a Legacy

Yeah, you’re talking to a weirdo who currently has 7 max level hunters (including one in Remix currently). I get how that’s not everyone’s thing. :sweat_smile:

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Ask Puny about how many paladins she has. Now that is scary.

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Ssssht. Rumour is, if you say her name, she appears.
She’s scary. :upside_down_face:

Nah thats Erevi… he who must not be mentioned.

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1 more now with remix :joy:

Well obviously.

Or more, maybe?
I’ve made 2 hunters. A horde and an alliance one.
To change into a haranir in Midnight. :dracthyr_shrug:

I might have a problem.

Hm, I’ll keep my boost for one of them… and playing another to max for the heritage armor… though I’ll use remix to prepare another DH to change into a VE for Devourer, will be my 3rd max lvl DH. One for each spec. :slight_smile:

Ah, right - that’s what’s also annoying about delves - that you need those keys to get the bountiful loot. Advantage M+ has… you can just leech someone else’s key. xD

I should’ve done that, but I got some weird idea for a new hunter aesthetic in my head and wanted to do that on a new alt. So I used that boost about a month ago. Like I said, I’m weird. :sob:

True, but if you’re not in it to gear them and just want the mogs, the keys are just an extra bonus, right? I don’t use keys anymore on my main, because the stuff in it isn’t worth spending a key on anymore at this point (or better put: Not worth getting a key for).

Also: You do get some free keys from all the reputation quartermasters.

Hm, not sure if one can open the hidden trove (those with the hero track loot in it) without a key? :thinking: Then again, one chest has nothing to do with the other. Will try that once I’ve actually run out of keys with my monk!

Oh. ;>

You can. Done it plenty.

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Not to be rude but that’s bonkers, changing font size for chat windows is the bare minimum for accessibility for people with vision problems and I haven’t played any MMOs where that’s not an option. And just to put into perspective how bad Blizzard is with their UI, take Lord of the Rings Online as an example, a game with a small niche audience that has way less money to work with, a much smaller dev team, which shows it’s age much more clearly. In that game you can hit a keybind to go into edit mode and you can move every single UI element and resize almost everything individually as well. Oh and UI elements that show class specific resources are a separate element from your character portrait so you can move those independently.

This is incredibly ironic coming from you after some of the posts you made. Some people have disabilities or impairments that affect their ability to play the game with how lackluster the base UI is. You said yourself that due to your age you have to play the game more slowly, and you talk about wanting the M+ meta to be changed so you don’t get stressed out, and yet you act as if it’s too much to ask for the UI to have better customization for people who struggle with their vision for example. The argument of “just learn how to play with it” could just as easily be used against you in regards to the current meta and intended gameplay of M+

Guess you’re right to some extent, but my point is that the game once was the way I still would prefer it to be and then was changed because of addon using ppl causing devs to make it harder… so I want the game to go back to its roots, not change for me; and I always assume if I can do something, others can do it too, because I’m not anyone special… so if I can make due with the base UI, everybody else should be able too.

Well, I’m very monogamous when it comes to games, but I’ve played a few others like Assassins Creed, Aion, Final Fantasy 16 or the like, and there you can’t change the UI at all. Keybinds yes, but not where what is placed. It’s the norm for me and WoW is the one standing out… and it has caused the devs troubles, which they now need to solve.

And I assume since I can do big pulls as a tank everyone else can do it too right? So why don’t you do bigger pulls then? Oh wait it’s because you have something that impairs you from doing so, and I don’t go “just learn how to play” or “just don’t do M+” because that would be rude. So it would be nice if you could maybe stop being a hypocrite about what’s a valid impairment that should be catered to and what isn’t. More power to you if you find the base UI perfectly fine, but just like how people shouldn’t bar you from doing M+ the way you want to because it helps you enjoy the game more, please don’t bar others from wanting their UI to look they way they want to because it helps them enjoy the game more.

Assassins Creed and FF16 are as far as I know not MMOs. I played MMOs almost exclusively once I got a PC, so I have experience with games like WoW, Lotro, FF14, and ESO. In Lotro and FF14 the base game lets you move and resize any of the UI elements. ESO is the outlier because they used a stylized UI that worked well for Skyrim because it was a singleplayer game, but was not up to par for an MMO, especially for harder content. So just like in WoW I once I started taking the game more seriously I got an addon to improve the base UI to increase readability.

The main complaint about addons was, and should have stuck to combat addons that shout at you what to do before a mechanic goes out, because that undoubtedly changed how Blizzard designed encounters. Being able to move specific UI elements is entirely down to things from personal preference to personal aid for certain impairments that someone might have. I don’t care if things like DBM go away, but I want to keep my UI the way it is because it helps me play and enjoy the game more in a way that does not affect anyone else.

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You are terribly misslead.

(A) before there way ONLY raids. All the “casual” friendly content existed already. And that has not gone anywhere.

Heroic Dungeons STILL exist. They are there.

What they added was a whole bunch of stuff between a Heroic Dungeon and Mythic Raid (which would have been a 25HC raid).

Casuals have what they always had. Hard-cores had what they always had. What they added was stuff for the “average” dude.

Get your facts streight.

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That’s exactly my point. WHAT crutches?

THESE crutches: DBM?. Check. Nameplates? Check. Targeted Spells WA? Check. Damage meter? Check. They are literally ALL there!

Heck… they even have the OBA which nobody used originally, because it needed advanced knowledge of WoW macros and how they work. It was called “lazy macros”.

ALL the “crutches” will be in Midnight. PLUS more that we did not have before (OBA).

The only thing that is not in midnight is that some people like the boxes red. Some green. And Blizzard has decided that yellow is the color everyone has to like. That’s literally IT.

I am. Lets do a key. And Amonet is too.

I have to try you know… every once in a while… Its my religion.

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Pipe dream .

Pipe dream .

Tah will leave the game before trying a key . :smirk:

But I’m not - the devs are, and they have a valid reason to do so. And I think devs know better what’s good for the game than most high end players who just want the game to become more and more challengeing because they find it fun, while the games becomes unplayable for the rest of the playerbase. Oh sure, yes, we can just stop doing the high end content, easy solution, sure… but you know, I pay the same for this game as these high end players, so I also deserve to get the same out of it and enjoy all the content (and that’s mogs for me). Easy content also quickly gets boring.

Sure, but “I can’t play the game if my bars are separated by two pixels and my name plates have the wrong color” isn’t a valid impairment, that’s just someone who’s aestetically spoiled.

What does it matter what kind of game it is? A game is a game, and in most of them, you just have to make due with the options that are built into that game - and obviously, for the large majority of games players have no problem with that - so why are addon-users such divas? Take Heroes of the Storm for example; it’s pretty much the same as WoW: has a minimap and your action bars - none of those can be constumized and placed in another spot, and ppl never complained about it, because there was never an option to do it differently (that’s the main problem WoW players have, I think).

You know, the funny thing is, all these pure UI addons aren’t even the ones going away as far as I know, because as you said, they only want to prune the combat addons, so what is even your problem?

You mean those dungeons you run through without having to do a single mechanic and mobs falling over after hitting them with one spell? Those dungeons that only drop blue gear no one needs? Not fun to play. During cata, heroic dungeons were fun; you had to pull carefully, take brakes for the healer to drink etc, take care of your teammates, not anymore… that’s why I’m forced to play M+ where mobs don’t fall over so easily, but instead there is that stupid timer.

Not going to use that as long as it punishes me with doing less damage because of a bigger GCD.