Wait. Is this another Lysandre recruitment thread? Hahahaah 
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In a former guild I did, correct. But this is entirely my own words.
My aim is too to attempt to break the norm, but without causing too much conflict to either lore or other Death Knight guilds and communities.
I understand the difficulty, and I replied to Tyreis: āMy aim is too to attempt to break the norm [ā¦]ā
Thanks for the answer, and this is very useful! I have read it over, compared to what I have written. It will be changed to ā[ā¦] being a follower of [ā¦]ā instead of: ā[ā¦] direct control by [ā¦]ā.
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And why do you think that? From your first post I assume you believe that it isnāt within the spectrum of what a Death Knight would want to do, which seems like a wild claim to make.
How so? I donāt think we ever see DKs being portrayed as highly moralistic Lawful Good bois. Itās a total 180 on their very nature.
Sir Zeliek does come to mind when talking about more āmorally goodā Death Knights, but sadly, even he falls short to what is described here. Having been a rather unique case himself.
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Indeed, because Zeliek also lacked any control over his own actions, with the exception being speaking, seemingly. Unlike the current Knights of the Ebon Blade, who are free from the will of the Lich King, for as far as weāve seen.
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Exactly, while being able to understand and talk about his actions as if they were wrong. He wasnāt in any way able to stop himself from doing them.
What is described by the OP seems even more out there, and less attatched to the class fantasy of a Death Knight. At which I have to ask, why even play that class anymore? When u want to stay away from some of itās central traits?
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Alright, let me paint you a picture:
Imagine a knight (or paladin) who spent most of his life living chivalric ideals, it was what they aspired to since childhood and now something they lived fully in adulthood. They somehow survive the chaos of the third war and continue on holding to these ideals while being part of the Argent Dawn. Unlucky for them, at some point in their battle against the Scourge they fall. Even worse, their body is brought to the Ebon Hold to be risen as a Death Knight.
Now they are forced to serve the Lich King, suffering under his influence. They are twisted into what they dedicated their live to fighting before. But through the events at Lightās Hope chapel the influence the Lich King had was broken. All the knight has now are the awful memories of what he did for the Scourge and the valiant live he lived before.
Given the choice between the two he chooses to fight his nature and tries to rise above it. He wants to be more than just a broken victim of the Lich King. So he clings to the values he held in life, maybe aware that the oath he takes to keep them might never be more than just hollow words.
I believe that to be a perfectly plausible concept that interacts fully with what the Death Knight lore offers.
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Then play a paladin.
This seems like a concept simply made around āI want to be a paladin, but also play the heh I win classā
I.E a dumb concept
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This is the keyword about Death Knights, i have to say. Being Twisted. And it can lead into various things and ways. They arenāt same in everything as when they were alive, nor necessarily they have completely changed; but a twisted form of former self.
It can be heavy, light or moderate. And depends on the Character that what aspects it affects firsthand, namely emotions. Mostly DKs may feel negative emotions harder and stronger (like vengeance and hatred), than positive ones like kindness. Depends on the Character!
(Simply wanted to share my opinion about this matter, nothing else nor anything against anyone.)
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Iād put it less bluntly, but yeah.
It seems unnecessarily detached from the usual portrayal of death knights, to the point where its remniscent of DKs & DHs that just go around as civilians.
Zeliek worked because he retained his mind but lost his body, if a character keeps both thereās nothing that actually makes them being a DK interesting.
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That seems like a dumb reply, but I guess you donāt have to expect too much from someone who has trouble assembling imgur albums.
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Do you believe that all RP should just move along the lines of what has explicitly been shown in the game already instead of also moving in the limited space that the lore has created?
And what exactly do you think is interesting about being a DK?
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the phrasing of this question seems a bit 
hmmmm but Iāll humor you
I think that RP should be based on what we see in-game. The NPCs, the quests, etcetera are to be used as a guideline. Making a 180 from that guideline in a way that just turns the character into a spooky paladin is snooze-worthy.
Conflict with people who do actually maintain ideals like that, primarily. Be it the open combat type of conflict or the palpable unease type of conflict.
There is a few things Iād like to say about this.
First, I am always joyful to see more Ebon RP, even ifā¦ I do believe, we should unite and not divide any further. That is just my personal opinion. But, if it helps the community, Iām all for it.
Now, there are a few things Iād like to point out.
This - is mostly something that sounds Paladin-ish. Or Knight in itself. Even if we are called āDeath Knightsā, this is not what we are. Quite the contrary. I will quote the Ebon Watcher A.K.A. Darion Mograine under cover. Here is the line which Iād like to point out.
The Ebon Watcher says: The Lich King knows your boundaries, Highlord. He knows that you will not fire on your own men. Do you not understand? He has no boundaries. No rules to abide.
Highlord Tirion Fordring says: We will do this with honor, Darion. We will not sink to the levels of the Scourge to be victorious. To do so would make us no better than the monster that we fight to destroy!
The Ebon Watcher says: Then you have lost, Highlord.
The line I wish to highlight is: Do you not understand? He has no boundaries. No rules to abide. It shows how the Knights of the Ebon Blade are willing to do anything. Fire on their own men. Get their hands dirty just to get the job done. We clearly see it, assaulting Lightās Hope a THIRD time. (Or second, depending on you wish to see it. Second by Darion and the Death Knights, third by the Scourge/Undeads.)
Now this, well. It is a nice concept - yes. But it does NOT fit the Ebon Blade. Weāre not stealthy people. We are shock troopers. We get on the front. Break in. Clean down the mess. Get out with some ghouls or potential initiatesā¦ or better, both.
The Lich King is the Lich King. He is not Bolvar. It isā¦ the Lich King. Simple as that.
That is where I have a BIG problem. You wish to do things āby any means necessaryā. But it goes against in a sense:
Clearly, if you wish to do things by any means necessary, you might not have courtesy, you might not be honest. Valor and honor is something that is often forgotten. A very few Knights may have āhonorā.
I wouldnāt quote Thassarian in this case, as it is more a sense of ābrotherhoodā than honor, in a sense. But you get my point.
The ranksā¦ Is also a big problem. You take IRL military to put it WoW. The thing is, you canāt do that. The Ebon Blade already has a military system. You can see a few ranks already present. Such as Lord-Commander Arete or āmedievalā titles. Duke, Duchess, Lord, Ladyā¦ Hell, we even have a Baron! How cool is that. (Not Rivendare.)
That closes my point about the ranksā¦ something else:
This, for me is a big no. Do not take something that is ENTIRELY different from the Death Knight time, condition & ideals. The ideals, environment, everything even - is different.
Right.
Iāll repeat myself - we are shock troopers, that is the problem.
Shock troopers. We even have an Ebon Ranger in the Shadow Vault.
The thing is, in the end - you sacrifice the core ideal of a Death Knight which is a war machine. Something that goes on the front line claded in Saronite armour while commanding legions of undeadsā¦ or livings in certain situations (Been here, done that. Thank you Return of the Damned two!)
In my honest opinion, this mindset would fit more a Cult of the Forgotten Shadows type of sub part with rogues and such. Deathstalkers like.
Zeliek is very different. As explained, Zeliek was a former Paladin but was still āconsciousā and not ādominatedā entirely. Enough for him to be aware of what he was āforcedā to do. His mind was truly strong. But was burning himself each time he was channeling his power. A way toā¦ try to escape undeath in a sense. To try and end it all. To die, forever and ever.
The thing is, while you are reanimated, your soul and body are both twisted. Sometimes, you have not even any memory about who you are. Who you used to be. What you once were. Which is the entire tragedy. A change you canāt go back to.
Orbaz Bloodbane says hello. Sorry, I am nitpicking here but some Knights -willingly- keep on serving the Lich King.
Some, yes. Some donāt. Thatās the entire thing.
Soulbane herself didnāt remember much of her past, thus, canāt really cling to those values. She is even different than she was in life.
This, resumes it perfectly. You canāt be the same. You canāt return to a normal life. You are an abomination. An undead.
DK are being āchangedā in a sense on this point. Unlike us, negative emotions are more akin to them, while positive one are ALIEN to them. Some can be still present within them. Such as, Thassarian & his brotherhood and love for his sister. Koltira and his loyalty for Sylvanas. (As his Ranger Genral, he even serves as one of her Forsaken General.)
As I have explained, basically and in short, the Death Knight is a war machine. It is like, saying you make an large zweihander to try and assassinate people. Possible, but why would you do this?
Oh boy, where do I start.
- Redemption
Some Knights may seek to atone for their sins. For what they did. To try for the sake of their beliefs be āforgivenā by whatever they serve/come from. A Night Elf may attempt to seek forgiveness from Elune, a Tauren from the Earth-Mother, an Orc regain his honor or find an honorable death.
- Conflict
A bit different, albeit, but interesting. Conflict with yourself. Your own nature. Your people. Your place in this world. Your ideals. Your place with your people.
I could go on, but I think this post is long enough I believe.
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Guess both of us lack braincells then buddy. 
good to see another dk community I wish you the best of luck
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You claim that it is a 180 turn, but have failed to actually show how so far. An attachment to what was held dear in life is shown plainly with Death Knights rejoining their former faction such as Thassarian. There is nothing that goes against any established lore. You are right that there is no direct example of a character behaving like this in-lore, but you really shouldnāt take that as any sort of standard.
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I politely disagree, and think that what we are shown in-game should absolutely be taken as a guideline for the standard to preserve any form of identity between the different classes.
The outcome of the alternative is ultimately what I mentioned before
A rather bad example for what the main discussion is about. Thassarian has only shown a strong sense of Brotherhood, by the fact that he allows Koltira to gather his troops before fighting, and a wish to be reunited with his sister. Thereās no examples of him being honourable, or holding himself to other virtuous often related to paladins/āknightsā
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