For one I don’t actually think you disagree with me there. I think we both are fine with, for example, a High Executor that is also a Death Knight, something not shown anywhere in the game but absolutely plausible.
And yes, they are ex-scourge killing machines, which is why I do believe it is implausible for one to desire to take part in civil society, which you are so worried about. But I do not see how this interferes with a concept where the character still strives to overcome his nature as an undead.
Or as I have explained, during the DK starting class quests when he is asking the player to free him. Because as he says ‘In undeath we are the sons and daughters of the Scourge.’ or something along those lines.
Absolutely, but he has joined the Alliance, something he held dear in life. Why couldn’t a Death Knight then be able to pick-up other aspects of his former life?
Are we playing guess who, if so I want my point. And again, a totally different story than what has been the main discussion/what the OP wants to make.
The lack of ‘good’ emotions, and a constant lust to kill things makes them far from able to take part in any sort of civil society. DK might be ex-Scourge killing machines. But they’re still killing machines to this day.
Not sure what a rank has to do with an entire personality type. Although, then again, we do see DKs being put in Horde/Alliance leadership roles. I need only point you at Koltira, Thassarian, and that one Forsaken DK in the Alliance version of the Darkshore Warfront. And that’s just what comes to mind straight away.
Oh, and a Baron somethingsomething blood elf DK leading Horde in Drustvar too. Really, we see this quite a lot.
You dodged the point where you still haven’t explained how it goes directly against what is shown in-game to have a Death Knight character that aspires towards holding up virtues from his life.
I didn’t, do I really have to once more quote the part where I say that in their very nature they are killing machines formerly in service of one of the most destructive forces on Azeroth?
PS: you’re dodging the point where you still haven’t explained how your High Executor example is relevant
In most of those cases I believe I’m right to assume that the Death Knights got their ranks simply because how good they are at killing, without having any attachments to it. They are able to do what needs to be done, no matter what is asked of them.
Also to Tyreis, the fact that their able to form their own loyalties isn’t the same as them being able to shred everything related to being a death knight and go back to being a normal human. After Light’s Hope, they’re freed from their forced loyalty to Arthas, but not from the lack of positive emotions or hunger for killing things.
Right now it really seems like a namedrop for the sake of a namedrop. ‘Disagreeing with me is calling this person’s character lore breaking’
Which really makes me question who has less braincells out of me and Tyreis after all
I think you are misunderstanding the point of the concept. There is a difference between what you claim your values to be and what you actually do. As I mentioned several times before, the real spark from that concept is the conflict between what the DK wants to be and their current state of being. That they are trying to be honorable and merciful while every fiber of their being screams to just rip and tear.
For the first part I’ll just refer you to what I wrote above and for the second part: It is relevant as we are discussing what is plausible within RP. You claimed that we should use what is directly shown in lore as the standard of what should be done and I gave you an example that goes against it.
The OP didn’t mention what they want to be, but what they are going to do. But Aight. I’ll agree with u that there are struggles between what they want to do, and what they do. But imo, it should always be a conflict that’s leaning towards the darker side of their nature than their light side.
As in Zelik’s example, he wants to be good, but is unable.
A death knight wanting to be honourable, but ending up carried by his bloodlust time and time again into doing horrible things is alright.
A death knight wanting to be honourable, and therefor being a paladin on roids with other forms of making is boring and lackluster.
This is based on who the Scourge follows now, not us.
As stated earlier; I nitpicked from real-life Templar Knights, which exactly says this (and I paraphrasing) to go headstrong and succeed and handle a missions, by all means necessary, but to also have a mercy. A sort of balance between doing what needs to be done contra to have honor.
I must say – without aiming to cause any offense – that I find it odd that you seemed to be quite passive about the idea on the Community discord, where I feel that you are directly shutting the idea down here on the forums. Correct me if I have misunderstood.
Thank you, we will try out best to succeed!
Exactly my thought – to not directly change the Death Knight roleplay in general, but to make an addition to that aspect of roleplay, without breaking the lore.
I have to admit that I’m unable to find the piece in the OP you are refering to. I can only find is the oath at the top, which is just a statement of intent.
Otherwise I agree with you. The important point in that is the inner conflict. As said earlier, conflict brings drama and drama brings interesting RP.
If you have an issue with the criticism, you could have brought it up there as well, so this seems like a weird attempt at playing the victim. Correct me if I have misunderstood.
While I’m as much of a sucker for this as many others, and think they’re basis to build something off from. I believe that if you want to do Templar inspired rp, ur better off going for a more ‘morally grey’ faction zealous type of paladin group.
I am not at all attempting to play the victim, I’m just not understanding why the same person says the opposite things from a Community discord to a forum post. But then again, I might have misunderstood.
And again, a totally different story than what has been the main discussion/what the OP wants to make.