A thread for discussing the A³ (All Across Azeroth) community and the PCU

Thankyou for being mature and honest with your questions. I myself joined the community in shadowlands so all the past for me myself is irrelevant. (Even if i can see that the past for some is important) I just hope that in the future we all can vibe and chill as the whole of AD. I met great friends in our community AND the whole of the server and within roleplay.

The community is who thought me what roleplay was, gave me a outlet, gave me friends, gave me memorabele moments, I have been in a lot of the guilds, were guild leader within one guild myself for a time (HBM) and within time I became a officer within a group i care deeply about now.

I do hope to see you roleplaying in AD, perhaps we can have some cool interactions aswell. Looking forward to it! Because that’s what I want myself in the end. Don’t think of what was, but just have fun with everyone :slight_smile:

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Despite what others have implied, I’ve never cared enough or looked deeply enough into the PCU to have much knowledge about any of these claims, so it would be wrong of me to comment on them, let alone bring them up. The only issues that I had with that community were the vibes that I got from particular figures, nothing more than that.

I’m curious who this accusation is levied at? It’s not one of the narratives I’m familiar with.

I know there’s been a few accused of it (no surprise there) but the one i’m pointing at is the officer guy in the Bloody Verdict. That one had screenshots attached to it at least.

Vyst?

I know as soon as he was caught he was booted, and the reason BV was shuttered. Though I don’t remember the full story as it’s not something I was involved with.

Not to mentioned he weaseled himself in under an alias, new discord and new WoW account.

He went full Jason Bourne (sweaty edition).

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Me mainlining estrogen into my eyeballs for the 15th time today (its a performative act to be a token minority in world of warcraft roleplay)

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So how is this new A³ different from or better than the old PCU? Back in mid-2022 I was an active and pro-active member in a PCU guild, Azure Dawn, and while most people in the PCU were pleasant to be around, there was an extremely active unpleasant clique near the core. Then one day the following thread happened:

A bunch of PCU members, many on alt accounts, absolutely laying into this Sígtryggr person for over two thousand comments. I don’t care how repulsive Sígtryggr is or isn’t, but the amount of cyberbullying in that thread was entirely unwarranted. This cyberbullying included an unacceptable amount of racism and racial slurs towards Sígtryggr, whom they allege has an Irish Traveller background.

When I asked the at-the-time GM of Azure Dawn to address this harassment, she was unable to get much of anything done. Worse, her co-GM was actively participating in this harassment under an alias, and she was unable to get him to stop harassing. When I made a stink of this situation on the PCU Discord (one short message, @everyone, very improper of me, I know), I got spammed with abuse, kicked and banned from the PCU, and had sexual harassment private-messaged to me.

It’s been two years, but holy hell, I’m not sure how a community can make a comeback from that amount of toxicity.

Did anything change? Would that behaviour be acceptable today? Am I still banned? Would anything be done to cull the toxicity if the same were to happen today, and Azure Dawn’s GM (or another GM; whatever) raised the matter again? Would I be banned again if I called out cyberbullying?

If you lot still have the same Discord server, my Discord name is bananananas. You can probably find the abuse I received in the archives. For transparency’s sake, this is also the character that was in Azure Dawn.

edit: Illynore remove your damned like. Unlike you, I am actually interested in answers to these questions.

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Wholeheartedly agree.

I don’t speak for A³, but I think this thread serves as evidence that they’re starting fresh and with a new attitude.

Most of the (very limited) negativity in this thread has come from people who are defensive of A³ despite not being a part of it and from people who still hold a grudge against the dead PCU. Everyone who belongs to A³ has been very reasonable and respectful so far, something which I hope continues.

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Watching them change the alts they used to like the post and their names. Bleh.

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See, I’d love to believe that, because I did enjoy my time in Azure Dawn, but I’m incredibly suspicious after the cascade of toxicity had washed over me after I had dared make a peep about cyberbullying.

This comment by Speedwagone phrases my suspicion best: [X-PvP-RP] United Anti PCU Legion - #119 by Speedwagone-argent-dawn

The PCU did nothing or very little to cull its bad actors. The bullying co-GM I mentioned stayed co-GM. The people who sent me sexual harassment stayed in the PCU, in spite of me reporting them. And Azure Dawn’s GM, however much I liked her as a person, either did nothing, or was entirely unheard by the rest of PCU leadership.

It’s that which I’m ultimately interested in. Does A³ now actually actively cull its toxic elements? I’m fine with the answer that they’re just a group of people who like RPing with each other and they don’t want to bother anyone—fine, cool, I enjoyed the RP, too, and most people were fine, good even. Have fun, and I really don’t want to go on a drama crusade. But before I trust A³ again and feel safe interacting with them, I simply must know that:

  • That behaviour was unacceptable.
  • The abuse I received was unacceptable.
  • The fact that nothing was done about any of this was unacceptable.
  • The fact that I got kicked and banned for a single short message calling out cyberbullying was unacceptable. Excuses about ‘you used “@everyone” and this was very bad netiquette’ aside.

The whole thing left a sourer taste in my mouth than I like to admit, and I have a chip on my shoulder about it.

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Regarding Sig real quick - it wasn’t just the PCU folk who would argue with him and put the guy on blast, it was nearly everyone because he would have this weird insistence to choose to die on the strangest hills, from takes on transgender athletes to traditional gender roles to covid misinformation.

Regarding the slur, that was regrettably me. I’ve apologised for it, I’ll apologise for it again - it was incredibly stupid of me. That being said, it wasn’t condoned. I very nearly got kicked from the Coppersails at the time and got all manner of pushback for it and it was all 100% deserved. All of this to say that it wasn’t the collective that said something foul, it was an individual and that individual was regrettably me.

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Hello everyone!

This thread has seen many answers from the community leaders of A³ throughout its short lifespan, and we appreciate the interest and the genuine replies and thoughts that has been shared. We understand that some may have concern, some may have doubts and some have history shared with the community that we have shed ourselves off of and this community is made partially, to seek to make some of the past wrongs, into present rights.

We changed our name, and intended to have it be an internal project and subject but we see that the “issue” has involved a lot of folks, with questions on things both of the past and the present. The main question being raised, is how is A³ different from the PCU? We will get back to that, later on here.

The PCU was a project spawned out of the want and desire to create engaging RP-PVP out of the current conflicts within the at the time, current lore - which soon grew to encompass a lot of guilds and a larger community still, it was soon revealed to have people of varied backgrounds, ideas and thoughts on how that RP-PVP and by extension, that social aspect of how the people outside of the community were to be treated and handled. And not all of them good, or nice or respectful, or worthy of being that face outwards.

I will admit that the community of the past, had bad apples in it. There were people that should not have ever been put into the community, should not have ever represented the community, and should’ve been dealt with quicker, and more harshly. I wasn’t around at the time, only being part of the PCU in a officer-capacity from around early '22 - so I do not know the exact details of every incident ever referenced, though I have been told and have seen that there has been a lot of them, unfortunately.
I could argue, and you could argue that there are two sides to each coin, and there is - But if the PCU did wrong, and again, unfortunately I am sure that certain long-since removed individuals have done wrong, it is within our reasoning and our want to see what we can do to ensure that those deeds of the past, remain just that and that we do better, where we can - however we can. There were mistakes, and troubles caused or made inflammatory by past members and/or officers, that regrettably those of us who came into the community, either as a player or as an officer were painted as being part of / responsible for and that sucks! On both sides, it sucks!

A³ is a project of dedication, of engagement, of passion and of the want to continue to create great moments in WoW RP - in the game, and out of the game. The current officers, members and associates of each and every guild are nothing more than people wanting to RP, to create and host and be a part of that RP that we - together, both as the A³ community but as the server creates.

We strive for an inclusive enviroment. We strive for a tolerant community, we strive for an engaging and engaged community - where voices small and loud, are equally heard and represented. Yes, we will make mistakes.
Yes, we will probably see ourselves hitting the proverbial wall against some issues, but we are 110% dedicated to ensuring that any mistake that happens now, will be dealt with accordingly. That any trouble we come across, is resolved swiftly, and without any baggage remaining. We want this, and we want everyone to know this as well - that any mistake that we do come across, or the Gods of WoW forbid, we make ourselves will not stand and will be treated and dealt with at once.

The forums is a good tool to use, to ask and to represent the ideas and share in them; and though there has been a flood of responses now, and officers and people who rarely venture here has involved themselves now - we are best reached in-game, or by our community.

I know you are many who want more out of us, who wants proof rather than words, and that is what we hope to prove in the times to come. We intend to engage with the realm, the server and the communities out there and we wish to keep creating RP for us, for you and for everyone. Our door is not shut. We are here to Roleplay, and we will continue to do so and we wish to do it together with everyone interested now, then and from hereon out.

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This isn’t the perfect text I would have wanted to read, but I can live with this. Good luck A³.

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Looking through this thread is kind of odd, there’s a lot of people here, many of them have never been PCU, a lot of them have but an equal amount never have been. This thread you’ve linked I’m afraid is just when Sigtryggr did yet another one of his antics upon hundreds and earned the ire of the entire realm for doing so. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The leopard eats your face, if you put your head in its maw, unsurprisingly.

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To be fair, sometimes having 40 people - some not even wearing the community tag - “blast” you in all possible ways, is a quick way to turn the conversation for the worst. Perhaps Sig is as bad as the PCU made him look, perhaps he was just exhausted by people attacking him for days on end - I know I have been too, now and then.

In this case it is Sig, but these situations happened with several players all over the forums. I’m not going to call for examples, because it feels a bit like tossing the first stone.

But again let us not pretend this was an isolated case. These things happened constantly and a lot of uninvolved people were often harmed as consequence.

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I can understand that there would have been, oft time overbearing, teasing about @everyone pings and the like, the environment at the time was intense and often edgy. I don’t remember this specific episode so can’t offer much more comment.

I can’t speak for what happened to you in DMs, and I am sorry to hear that you received such, it should not have happened, to my knowledge this behaviour wasn’t accepted but there was obviously a failure here.

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You mean the co-GM and GM called out on a thread last May/June ish before their eventual departure from the community?

Wasn’t perfect but they aren’t part of the community anymore and haven’t been for over a year.

Sig being a detestable person does not excuse the cyberbullying he received. I wholly and entirely disagree with you here, Meronspell. A non-toxic community would have just ignored the guy.

late edit: I misphrased the above. I don’t entirely agree with myself here. Bigots deserve calling out, and good communities call out and expel bigots. Bigotry just wasn’t the topic or nature of the cyberbullying in question, in my reading.

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