I don’t know the greater context of what was discussed, so I won’t pretend to.
But if man was being racist, I think it’s right to tell him to get bent. I think there’s ways to go about it in a more measured sense, so I’m not excusing or saying people should get heated and say equally poor things. I do think speaking up however in some context is a good thing, is my point.
The racism was on the part of the people attacking Sig, here.
I am 100% on board with mocking bigots, but this simply wasn’t that.
To be fair, I think it was completly warranted to atleast tell him off for making overtly transphobic comments. Saying that people should just ignore that is something I disagree with.
There is no winning play. You’re either “baited” into responding in the dozens to counter the person or you’re silent and your silence is taken as consent of the actions and written words therein. Not involving yourself at all isn’t even a winning play, after all, apathy is death.
“Everyone knows he’s just a silly troll” is a concept that only works in echo-chambers where the Troll is already unwelcome and thus the words will fall on deaf ears. But the forums are not an echo chamber, they are very much public and very much volatile in their userbase, the agreements, the disagreements therein. Was a dogpile necessary? No, probably not, a few officers giving him their personal warnings might well have been enough but that’s also purely speculative, maybe it was the dogpiling that finally got him to do some introspection and realise that none of this was healthy if so many people were speaking out against him.
Underdog syndrome is a hard thing to combat, but its good to acknowledge and note that not every person who is piled upon for having countless bad takes is the hero, sometimes they’re just the villain getting clobbered by several heroes. Some people made choice remarks, and frankly it’s been far too long for me to be able to say if they were ever reprimanded for them or not, they likely were in private. I have a bit of a fundamental dislike with the notion, quite popular nowadays I think, that every community must be entirely morally that of Paladins; it’s an unrealistic standard completely nonexistent in the real world. People are complex. Organisations even more so. Organisations made up of hundreds of different people with their own myriad cultures, beliefs, etc.? You’re going to see a lot of hypocrisy, a lot of things that don’t “make sense” because Humans are fundamentally hypocrites of their own beliefs.
A few people had their sins, absolutely and most definitely, I just feel its fundamentally wrong that quite a lot of people have deigned that reason enough to see charcoals lit beneath everyone else; many of them people who were in the community because they felt it was the only safe place they’ve had to do their RP hobby no less. You have to be careful when aiming a flashlight in a hall of mirrors, lest it ricochet and blind your friend instead of your intended target.
Addendum: Sometimes you aren’t going to get a sorry, or an apology from the person that wronged you, the person that made a poor example of a community they’re in. I can’t tell people to move on from that, nobody can really. But I think its sometimes healthy to just accept that it isn’t possible/going to happen and return to your normal real-life and forget about it. Morally upsetting as that is.
I’d say that there’s more nuance to the topic than what you’re saying re. bad apples in a community. One of the problems (at least from an outside perspective) is that those bad apples were very often guild leaders, officers, or the favourites of those leaders and officers. If GMs and officers aren’t representative of a community, who is?
Of course as far as I can tell they’re also the ones who have left the game. So if there’s intended to be a definitive ‘we’re not going to be massive weirdos like them’ line then cool, happy days.
With Sigtryggr, he held some extremely problematic views and never knew when to stop talking, but he was also subjected to racism too on at least one occasion. Two racisms don’t make a right, or something. I put him on my ignore list and never looked back after it was clear he wouldn’t genuinely learn.
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disregard my existance
good night
I still think you hide a mana bomb post somewhere. The legend shall continue. Is it a form of nuclear deterrence? Or will it be the salvation of the forums?
Only time shall tell (probably not)
Dalaran was shot out of the sky so we can’t use that as a means to transport the bomb anymore, our plans have been delayed…
I’ve spent years on World of Warcraft, and I’ll tell you this. Most people in that community just want to roleplay, myself included. Many people found themselves at odds with others due to conflicts of the past and the stigma revolving around the name they had joined up with. And so, because grudges prevailed about people who aren’t even in the community anymore, the battle waged on. It wages on, even now.
You’re trying to hold people accountable who aren’t even there anymore. Let it go; let people roleplay without drama. The officers there now, and I know a lot of them personally, are very well-adjusted humans who hold down jobs and enjoy nothing more than fostering safe communities. Treat them as humans, and they will treat you in kind.
Setting aside all the scepticism about what the purpose of this post was, I will decide to treat this in good faith for anyone else who might be reading this and wondering the same.
I have been in the PCU since 2021 and as an out gay man I have never received any manner of homophobia from anyone in the community. But I have received quite a lot of homophobia from the Anti-PCU guilds I was in before joining the PCU.
Furthermore, this character was in a romantic relationship with another man for more than a year for like 2021-2022 and there was never any issues either IC or OOCly that arose from that, and as has been mentioned before my character isn’t the only one who has been romantically involved with other characters of the same gender in the community.
You must return to the Dustpaw and bring them back to being BOOMTEC friends kicking and screaming, it’s been taken over by a pirate!
What’s in it for me?
I’ll show you my apartment on FFXIV
Even as a skeptic I think it’s pretty clear that the intentions was made well and was opening a forum of discussion. (Which is generally what a Forum is meant to be - A discussion.)
Though, I will also add that whilst the post was made in good faith and I say that because I know Shog personally as a good guy and a good RP’er.
There are clearly some bad faith responses and people trying to poke holes wherever they can.
I am happy that the PCU enabled you to be who you are and your preferences at the end of the day we’re all Human behind a screen and we should be treated justly and fairly.
Regardless of; Skin, Gender, Relations, etc. This game should bolster and this community even more so should be standing unified because at the end of the day what is race, skin, sex in real life when you’re playing a character in a game that has just the same?
There is without doubt prejudice in many guilds and groups to which I am sorry you was made to feel unsafe in.
My, do I like debunking things like that.
You were kicked from Azure Dawn not because of “insane” cyberbullying that you allegedly experienced, but because you started throwing tantrums in the guild discord about people posting anything that you didn’t like on the forums. Then you started amazingly messaging our members to “get them on your side” and incite some weird revolt or w.e you want to call that.
Yeah, I did, because others decided to give you an opporunity to change, and yet you didn’t, and when you were given a chance to say your last “goodbye” to the guild - you posted a massive 
in the discord to proclaim how everyone is bad and you are a victim, which I said to both officers at the time that it would happen, because you are just that kind of person.
0 clue what that is about, but hey, yet another statement without proof
Edit: If anyone really wants to read her rants - I will gladly drop them on discord (aeilmar), but not here, because I honestly do not want to imgur every bit of screenshot.
Hi maybe an odd question but have you considered that maybe you pinging every role in a 300+ member discord to call the entire community ‘fragile b1tchboys’ over your issues with a small dozen forum posters, most not even members of the PCU, was unacceptable?
Not that there was exactly lots of time for you to receive any abuse at all as you were quick to disappear yourself from the discord no more than a minute later.
Which is interesting, because not even a week (I honestly do not recall the timeframe, but it was 2-7 days) later they decided to post 2 massive messages, asking for an apology and trying to argue their case like in the court how they SHOULDN’T be kicked and be given a more fair chance
I can confirm, the screenshots are real and boy… they’re great!
All sorts of bad stuff happened and people are finally able to speak about it without being dogpiled and harassed.
The aggressively defensive pack mentality and repeated denials of any wrongdoing was probably the most definitive ‘PCU behaviour’ on the forums not so long ago. It could be–and often was–pretty vicious.
It goes without saying that you’re a good example of their willingness to routinely target players that they didn’t like, who would call them out. Of course they’re not the only culprits, because I know for a fact I’ve treated you badly/unfairly plenty of times in the past, but they were the most persistent ones.
My first experience with the Rotgarde was them invading my guild’s skype group when I was a teenager, joining its voice call and yelling slurs and it never really felt like they grew past that conduct. The fact that Gruggosh is communicating like someone who doesn’t unironically browse /pol/ and /r9k/ is a distinct (and positive) tone shift compared to old community leaders lmao.