Just say it three times in a row
Then you won’t believe how far I’ll go
I’m on the bench but coach
Just put me in the game~
All you gotta do is say my name
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I really do need to go and see Beetlejuice 2 sometime. 
It’s… okay, but it’s not amazing, and it didn’t manage to re-capture the feel of the first movie.
You mean to say the hit Broadway musical ‘Beetlejuice’ was made into a movie?!
Don’t think you could ever beat the original it was so well written and done.
Same with the Crow whilst I think Bill Skarsgard will kill it I just don’t have the faith that many people will recieve it with the proper dues.
A sequel, I believe.
A twovie, if you will.
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Damn, that’s crazy!
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People often do this when they’re called out on behaviour they haven’t done. A lot of what the old guard did was attributed to new members. They inherited the crimes of their predecessors. So, naturally, they’re going to act out and dogpile onto people who accuse them of this. I would; everyone would. It’s entirely understandable albeit the wrong way to go about it.
I think everyone has gone after Vaxir at least once. We’ve all said insane things in the past, and we shouldn’t perpetuate that behaviour further. I’m making the assumption we’re all tax-paying adults here. It’s time to move on.
Those days are long gone, and bringing them up does no one any favours. You are fighting ghosts.
Gruggosh is a good man, with good intentions. We love Gruggosh.
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I think it’s fair for people to be able to air their grievances to a degree - for the longest time you couldn’t without having a load of people dogpile you (and I’m not referring to the innocent members targeted by Lilynore et al here, I mean the actual abusive officers and the like from the old days). I think it’s also worth nothing that it wasn’t just some random nobodies that would act like this - the community was essentially founded by these people, so I get the wariness some people have had (including myself, back then).
However, it’s also important not to attribute what they did to the people who make up the community now. More or less everyone from the PCU - or A3 now - who I’ve interacted with in the last while has just been an ordinary, normal player - and many were still that way even back when the leadership of some of the guilds wasn’t so great. People just want to move past it all and get on with enjoying RP, and I think the ‘rebrand’ is a good way to do that.
It’s also worth noting that there was plenty to criticise about the old toxic clique that was within the PCU without having to make stuff up. The wild accusations that get thrown around and the outright bizarre behaviour from some/many of their detractors just means the legitimate criticism gets completely drowned out.
At the end of the day, though, those days seem to be over as far as I can tell, and it honestly feels like it just makes sense for people to get on with RP.
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Gotta say, I don’t hold it against most people who have had a go at me in the past. There’s been legitimate concerns, as well as vile rumours, and people do tend to believe what they hear first. That being said, so many people have sought me out to learn more, or simply changed their minds over time, and for that I’m grateful.
We all learn over time as much as we change. Not everybody can like everybody, too, and that’s fine.
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I’m about to go to bed so I’ll keep my reply relatively brief and just clarify that the reason I brought up those ghosts (as you put it) is because there was another post further up basically denying any wrongdoing ever, which simply isn’t true.
I will also say that a lot of the people doing the dogpiling were either the same people who did the bad stuff or continued it on from the first group.
Okay I lied, I’m actually already in bed and I’m writing this on my phone before I go to sleep.
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They’ve been airing out their grievances for years. There comes a time when enough’s enough.
People don’t join communities because they agree with the horrible things they’ve done in the past. They see a group of roleplayers and think they’re cool/good and want to join.
This is true. There were many unjustifiable things the old clique did, and unfortunately, it was drowned out by insane lies.
That they are. It’s time to lay down your arms, soldier.
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I understand.
I know I dogpiled despite having nothing to do with some of the wrongdoings and obviously, the old ones did the same. Hate perpetuates further hate, and fortunately, those days are done.
Good night.
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I don’t think anyone in this thread has done this, in earnest. They haven’t made it a part of their every post to mention ancient issues, but nobody has denied any and all wrongdoings realistically.
Entirely true. But quite honestly a lot of that group, even in the community, were derided and made a joke of pretty often, being called “spectres”, “ghosts” and “shadowmen” because they were people who only existed in the presence of Perroy and never actually did anything beyond forum post. They had no presence to 99% of the community, and they sure as hell didn’t represent it for the 99%, nor did they even ever actually RP.
I think the sentiment a lot of people have is just that they (rightly imho) don’t see a reason to bring up issues caused by ghosts that are essentially spectral issues themselves at this point. It just causes the conversation to stagnate around the same old, same old that’s already been talked about in a circle for a decade. Much like bureaucracy, the paperwork has to get signed eventually and forgotten about.
It just seems weird to keep those types around when all they do is tarnish the opinion of the community by being utter knobs. If they didn’t even participate in the community why let them do it under the banner of the PCU. Of course, saying they weren’t around in game or ever did much RP makes them feel less legitimate and less like a proper part of the community - But to any outsider looking in it really seemed like it was the sort of image the group wanted to project.
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It’s hard to choose strangers over old friends, and it’s hard to get rid of said old friends. Especially when some of those going against your friends were equally bad, and sometimes worse themselves. There was a lot of pot calling the kettle black in those days.
This is not me justifying anything, but rather the thought process of myself and probably others back then.
A lot of people who roleplayed with us didn’t look to the forums. They didn’t know what was being said or what the accusations were. And when they did see the accusations, all they saw were the crazy lies rather than the genuine and rather bad things the old clique had done.
So they’d flock to the dogpiling because it shut down the people who were antagonising the innocents.
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Totally agree, as did genuinely like 80% of people, or at the very least they did not care/know they really existed. I wish I had an answer for you, but I never came to one in all my time there beyond “yeah they’re here because they’re Perroy’s IRL friends, it is what it is.”.
It’s completely honest, to the point where I’ll happily tell you they might log-in once every 6 months to maintain the illusion of being RPers and members of the community, but they truly in any and all earnest just…weren’t.
Yeah and that’s deeply unfortunate and a debate held within the Discord of the community itself hundreds of times over both privately and publicly, hence why they came to have those “fond” nicknames.
I know its a deeply unsatisfactory answer, believe me I’ve had to live with it, but it just…was what it was, completely illogical as it was.
To emphasise, a lot of these talking points held here, the problems brought up, they’re ones that have been unpacked, repacked, sent off, unpacked again etc. in the community discord itself for years, privately and publicly. I truly don’t have any way to describe it beyond ‘complicated’ because it just…was like that. It was just a really damn complicated situation and black-and-white didn’t exist whatsoever in it, so black-and-white solutions didn’t work.
I think the best analogy I could perhaps offer to try and make sense of it, is to say that it was a bit like a Wicked Problem, situations that get brought up a lot in our political climates and our legislative processes. The average public citizen just smacks their hand on their forehead (because they have no insider insight to the true depth and complexity) and goes “Egad! Why don’t the government just do this! It’s so simple, it could all be fixed!” and a lot of the time, whilst people feel this way, the answer is that the problem is actually probably already noticed by the government and has been getting debated for years over a proper, efficient solution but there isn’t one because of the sheer-and-utter lunacy-level complexity of the seemingly “simple” problem.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem)
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That’s pretty much what it was, it was immensely frustrating at times. You know yourself what I’m talking about.
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I was kicked from AD because I was kicked from the PCU. You were the one throwing a tantrum on the forums about this Sigtryggr person in spite of being repeatedly instructed by Talirei to cut it down.
This never happened. The only people with whom I communicated were the officers and a single friend.
I was given no such opportunity. I was kicked immediately after I had written my message in the PCU chat.
This was provided to the other officers, because you had never been cordial to me. I have provided proof of this to a present A³ member. It was allegedly never subsequently forwarded to the PCU.
This was the same day. I did not leave the PCU Discord; I was summarily kicked. In fact, because it’d be embarrassing for you to be transparent, here’s the message in question:
But sure, a 
poster is me.
And here’s the PCU I remember.
The fact of the matter is that you were participating in a massive pile-on cyberbullying thread as a PCU officer who was repeatedly told to cut it, and I wasn’t. I called you out on the toxicity, and it made you mad. This, of course, makes me a holier-than-thou victim.
But I’m done with this discussion. You’re not in A³, and they are fortunate that you aren’t.
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I can sympathise with the people who have mentioned their issues in this thread.
I’ll start with a few disclaimers:
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There are plenty of other people and communities who are/were far more damaging to the server and far more unhinged than the PCU ever were, in my opinion. COAD, Lilynore, the Uldum creeps, Keti Caravan, Bayerleyn Retinue, Goldshire, the harbour hook-up culture, literally anyone who has ever roleplayed a child in any sexual context and many more who I have not mentioned or who I may not even be aware of, most of whom have been extensively covered by the forum community on multiple occasions.
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As far as I am aware, I haven’t been the intentional target of any wrongdoing perpetrated by the PCU at any point. Any negative feelings I have towards them are very minor and ultimately based on vibes. I’m not speaking for myself with the point that I’m about to make, I’m simply empathising with others.
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As has been established in this thread, A³ is a completely separate community at this point. Ultimately, A³ should not be judged for anything that anyone in the PCU did. The most you can do is blame particular individuals for what they did while they were members of the PCU, but their membership in A³ should serve as evidence that they wish to move on and that they’re no longer the sort of people that they were back then.
With those disclaimers out of the way, I’ll make my point.
I think that some people are left feeling somewhat unsatisfied by the fact that they never got the opportunity to voice their grievances and have them be properly heard by others.
During the height of the PCU, it sounds like it was difficult for these people to voice their concerns, misgivings, grievances and other issues with the community without being dogpiled, to use the same term as Loras and Vaxir. They either had their opinions drowned out by this dogpiling or were afraid to voice their opinions out of the fear that they might be dogpiled by the biggest community on the server.
After the decline of the PCU, the discussion of these issues is now shunned as distasteful. It’s in the past, people should move on, we’re all adults now, we should all have better things to do, so on and so forth. It’s all done and dusted, there’s no need to talk about it any more and anyone who brings up the PCU is clearly bitter, obsessed and holds a senseless grudge.
From where I’m standing, it doesn’t seem like there was ever a period where people could talk critically about the PCU without worrying about dogpiling or without being seen as ‘stuck in the past’ or ‘unable to move on from old grudges.’ I can understand why some people might find that frustrating and feel like they were never able to say their piece.
In the end though, it is too late for that and it would be wrong of anyone to direct any misgivings towards A³, as they’re a separate community entirely now and operating with a completely different attitude, as far as I can tell. I just think it’s sad there was never an opportunity for people to talk about this stuff constructively, as I think that would’ve been helpful.
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