This is a big problem. Had some brief RP earlier today, like maybe an hour or so near the town crier to check on things and take a stroll. I think there were two occasions were, Khaz’goroth forgive me for uttering this word… “OOCers” landed with their flying mounts where the RP was taking place.
If you truly are part of the RP community and say that full OOCers are fine when you either don’t RP at all, or in some cases, don’t even play the game which is very true in Athramus’ case. So his opinion may as well be worth as much as fake money.
I tend to think not being boring is better than being boring but maybe it’s the wrong word to use
It’s just fence-sitting + a post that can basically be skipped without changing the course of the discussion
It’s a discussion forum so I guess we are discussing. That’s the nature of forums
People post this a lot, but who here honestly buys a lot of transmog gear on a daily basis? I normally bust out one or two sets and I’m done on a given character
I think I would be very fine with paying more for something if it meant my RP would be disrupted way less + the tone of the server was preserved
It’s not a massive deal but honestly RPers aren’t a zoo for people to observe as a past time - it’s just weird to me
The point is more that if even 80% of OOCers are silent watching types that do nothing else and 20% are disrupting RP, I’d rather get rid of the 100% than keep the 20%. The 80% represent no gain for this server’s main draw
I think making one side a thousand times smaller to try to make this point says it all, really. If you need to add “ahhh but my based OOC server also weirdly has many many more roleplayers” you’ve neutralised your own argument instantly
I wish you were
Awesome post and very funny, I’ll get back to you with a laugh as soon as I can
Posting nebulously that the guilds formed for the express purpose of griefing will some day mysteriously become RPers is a typical response, but I will shock you Moody and say that I don’t really care to RP with these born-again griefers in the slightest
I don’t think we need to scrape and plead with OOCers to please please please consider roleplaying one day - this server’s RP community is massive and I think people who want to RP will come RP without being buttered up and beyond that I’d rather have a cohesive server full of roleplayers at medium than some mad max hellscape at full because the unsubbed Good Samaritans think we (the people who actively play, God forgive us) should do outreach charity work
If you want to be st. Moody the Redeemer to these poor misunderstood souls, I would respect that in a big way even if I don’t necessarily think it is a good use of your time. I don’t think you have that kind of investment beyond languidly making some seriously [leans back in my chair] style posts, though. Even in a video game it is easier to talk/post about doing something positive than doing it
It’s not the point. I just deconstructed the last argument. You claimed that OOCers are bad on the basis they grief people. This argument is wrong because on the reason I gave above.
Claiming that OOCers are bad by default is another argument altogether. And it is also wrong.
There are plenty of reasons to say that OOCers aren’t ideal for the server and there are many ways to question each of these statements, depending on the strenght of the point. Some may be more valid than others. The one you provided just now is not.
Not at all. Your point rested on the ratio whereas mine rests on opportunities. It’s completely different and it actually believes that OOCers and RPers aren’t mutually exclusive.
If this thread so far has proven one thing then its that there is no unified consensus and that among the currently over 350 posts most are mockery and mild insults rather than people actively pursuing a constructive discussion.
I am not really surprised to be entirely honest… but…
If the majority of people want to do something against disruptive use of ooc maybe it would be wise to try to seem a little more diplomatic?.. Not sure if thats the right word.
I feel that to often the language used is far to defensive or outright hostile and even though people may have the same or a similar opinion end up just ticking each other off and that doesn’t achieve anything in the end either.
I’m not even that long on the this server compared to some of the old school RPers.
I was originally from a PvE server. Azuremyst. Why did I chose that server?
Because at that point in time of my life I had no intention to RP and wanted to do content, and play the game. Raiding, exploring, achievement hunting, so forth.
Eventually I got sick of it all (though I still do content sometimes) and 'lo and behold… I tried out RP.
How did I get into RP, you ask?
Simple. I joined a RP server.
If baffles me to see that I have to share this planet with people that don’t understand logic as simple as this.
yeah the oocers are bad because they grief i think that’s abundantly clear
it’s actually right because a large percentage of them don’t behave properly and think its the height of comedy to say innapropriate things in the middle of peoples rp
There are surely still a few hundred RPers on the other RP servers, yet where are these opportunities? I think your opinions work only on paper and it shows that you don’t actively RP. Your beliefs (if they exist, and I’m not so sure) are purely theoretical / not based on the reality of hubs like Stormwind
With that aside, to answer your question:
If the “good” OOCer / bad OOCer ratio is the same as ADs, the griefers would outnumber the roleplayers on your 20k OOC / 5k IC example
Bump the 35 man server to 36, because I’m headed there
I look for something quite often, personally, as I tend to change my sets - especially OOC ones - frequently. Items that are posted in droves probably wouldn’t disappear, but there are already a few items that you’ll only see one or two of, or none at all. Plus it’d drive prices up.
Though I agree that losing some items on the AH, and/or having to pay more for them, is a small price to pay to be rid of griefers.
If enough people report them, will the automated ban system kick into action, or will it have to wait for a GM to read the report(s)? Either way, make sure to report them!
True but thats mainly because we got people like Athramus who always just say the opposite of what anyone else says just for the sake of it and unable to defend his arguments properly because there is not much to hold onto in the first place.
I try and be nice when i see people doing /yell for an OOC advertisement in stormwind.
I just get no for an awnser and then they added in their yell “(whisper me if u got a problem with my OOC yelling)”
Does not really seem to fix the problem.
BTW that one happen today too.
If being hostile to make them feel unwelcome is the only way, then that is what i am going to do. Simple as that
as i’ve said earlier in this thread, ticketing for griefers barely works. my community only got action taken on a griefer after 20-25 tickets and finally an actual phonecall to blizz, and only the phonecall to blizz did anything
If someone would actually, actively play the game they’d’ve realized a thousand years ago that reporting works about as well as a chocolate fire guard.
Fair enough, I get that there are deffo some people that like to mix sets up - I guess for me even if I’m changing things I tend to go for BoP stuff. I think I only use the AH once every 200 years for enchants
If loads of people report in quick succession, yeah. It takes way fewer people to do a name if they have one that’s dodgy, too
t. used to RP in VoH and was forced to turn several mammoth riders into dust
Agree that people should take things into their own hands and not just chat about it - if you post “boohoo OOCers” but don’t sling out reports for griefing / OOC names / OOC in spatial chats etc you’re just talking breeze
The GMs are reactive, we the roleplayers have to take that first step and every time a report works this server is just that tiny bit better for it. Don’t be lazy, gamers
For the individual, it is an incredibly flawed system that does very little 99% of the time
However, if you drop 40 reports on someone at once for being called “pvpgodx” and standing on you with a mammoth, you will see them weirdly fade from reality quite quickly
You just need to do an anime team-up with some fellow concerned citizens, Sainur
Again; you’ve made the same fallacy from before: you ascribe the property of a selected group to a whole category. It’s a logical fallacy. It means your reasoning is invalid.
My pragmatic suggestion is to try to be diplomatic first and then report those that bother you and don’t RP by the auction house/huge OOC zones. Maybe if people weren’t going all the time with “get off my lawn” this kind of issues wouldn’t be as recurring. I myself have had very few experiences with griefers.
By your definition, only griefers are bad, not all OOCers (this should also include RPers that do grief).
You’ve completely switched point. From speaking about servers you’re now speaking of this server. The lack of opportunities is unrelated to the OOCers.
LOL I hope you realize the irony: “let’s condemn all OOcers” is going to improve so much the quality of the server and is such a tremendous display of pragmatic value
You have to assume the majority would. Which doesn’t follow from anywhere of the points we discussed. You’re free to create a private server with 20 people and make all of them RPers. See if you enjoy it more than AD.
Is this meant to imply I don’t actively play the game? Because I’ve been playing the game much too much since I resubbed.
I tend to go for a less flashy, more down-to-earth look for my characters, and I find that usually (though far from always) directs me towards Vanilla greens, and boy are there a lot of different ones.
I was more referring to the way people like to express themselves on the forums rather than ingame.
I agree however completely that there is a problem and for a lack of options and seeming lack of transparency how people can deal with disruptions from blizzards side when it comes to roleplay, sometimes telling the offender to F off is the only way to go… which isnt a magic pill and isn’t guarenteed to help either but therein seems to lie the problem. There just isn’t a proper way to combat it if it happens.
