I assume that people causing a disruption are a problem? No they are a problem. Disruption by definition is an issue…
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Not all OOCers cause disruption, however. You’re generalizing a limited issue (disruption) to a whole category.
Reply to my offer earlier or I will have to assume - just like with the matter re. our mutual forum colleague the gnome warlock - this is yet another topic where you have no beliefs + just post whatever the counterpoint is
Do you believe more OOCers is a good thing? Do you think AD as a roleplaying server would be more enjoyable if it had a smaller chunk of active roleplayers + a larger % of OOCers?
I am saying that taking the “dude, who even cares” position is intensely boring and was also the position of people who defended ERP as a victimless crime some years ago
It seems every time a complaint is raised about some (percieved, let’s say) universal issue, the cool dude choir will arrive to sing the “dude … who cares … just let it happen … haha … why do you care” only now this choir’s members don’t even pay sub - so I am getting owned really heavily paying my Blizzard tax to listen to you guys talking absolute bag that I doubt you even believe 
Those that do nothing = no loss + no gain
Those that grief = big inconvenience
Ergo: I’d rather have them all gone. Sure, if using some dark magic I could make it so we could only keep the tiny population of 100% pure and extremely lovely OOCers I probably wouldn’t post about it but sadly that’s not the case
When I started posting actively on these forums. I learned from the wise masters of the time
… but now? The student has become the master
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Would be really cool to see this study that supports the argument that “Every non-RPer on Argent Dawn is disrupting RP” that you people seem to be referencing.
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just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen??? your points are based on your absolute lack of experience in the matter and since you’re incredibly ignorant and choose to ignore posts which show oocers ARE a problem and have been for a long time, i can safely say your argument has absolutely no legs to stand on
ok then why were you saying
??? do you wanna sort your argument out before commenting again my guy?
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The OOC presence around SW, Org and the rest is also a disruption. It may not be all OOCers, but it’s going to be most of them, because by virtue of their presence they are causing an issue… Unless they take up roof sitting completely out of the way, which they won’t.
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Have you heard of the memeroof? Don’t go there…
'tis a cursed place
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I have. Its not out of the way enough…
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Okay, but even if you feel that way, what’s wrong with being boring? I’m not exactly picking my opinions to excite you.
A thread was made, in which the following question was posed: ‘What do you think about OOCers on Argent Dawn?’ Was that question maybe not directed at us who are of the opinion that ‘dude … who cares … just let it happen … haha… why do you care’, and only those that agree with the OP’s stance? The answer is no, btw.
Agreed! Though I imagine we’d see less transmog gear on the AH, which would be a shame.
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Nooo not the transmog gear
Okey, so… Honestly, personally i do not really mind OOCers flying around observing people. As long as they are not disrupting. Maybe there’s a glimmer of hope that they are observing because there’s an inch of interest for the story going on.
I also realize that is rarely the case.
Thankfully, it has been a long time since i had people actively disrupt my RP with the classic massive mount on top of you or, the one who actually approach you without a TRP, starting to talk a bunch of nonsense for the sake of getting a reaction… I probably just jinxed myself
Besides that, if the numbers of OOCers is too big. It kinda ruins the immersion. But that feels obvious
i think you might be misunderstanding a little? anyone can post their opinion but anyone is able to object to or argue against that opinion as well
it’s only fair, y’know
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My argument has been repeated to death in several other threads. I’m fairly aware of objections and points in favor. I post for the sake of proving that there is an alternative perspective to this anti-OOC mindset that I perceive as crude and shallow.
Your offer? You mean that attempt of an argument where you argue that a good RP server is better the more % of RPers it has? Ofc it’s a stupid argument. A RP server with, say, 5k RPers and 20k non-RPers is on average a better bet than one with 30 RPers and 35 total players.
The rest is just a dumb “oh I don’t like you so I pretend you’re a troll”.
Yeah lucky you, sadly last time i had this was today at the town crier rp in Stormwind in the mage district, we got some guy with like 4 banners, growth pot and on a mount walking about where we had our RP.
you’re not posting “an alternate perspective”, you’re denying ooc griefing happens at all, and that’s just entirely false
any and EVERY rper, unless they’re some weird erper who only rps in instances, has been griefed by an oocer. every rper. even you, i imagine. trying to deny griefing from oocers even happening will bring attention away from threads like these where the problem is being presented OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.
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I wonder how many AD RPers started out initially belonging to the former group. But yeah, let’s get rid of them. Let’s stomp out that potential right away.
If you can’t trace your RP lineage back at least 2 or 3 generations, you better not be playing on Argent Dawn bro.
Pureblooded RPers only,
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I avoid Stormwind for several reasons. That might be why i don’t see this as much anymore
Edit: Spelling
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I haven’t denied that at all. Did you miss the part where I said OOCers are fine as long as they don’t grief people?
I simply argued that saying “all OOCers are a problem because of griefing” means to invert the order of things.
It’s basically a fallacy of composition.
I have also been griefed, harassed and bothered by some RPers other than OOCers.
And I don’t blame all RPers for this.
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this shows me that you only read the title of this thread and not the posts within it
we agreed a while ago that some oocers come here to watch, which is still not good and i wouldn’t support it, but that’s not griefing. some oocers come here to see how rp works and then join in later. that’s not griefing.
i don’t think ANYONE in this thread said all oocers grief, you’re just assuming that bc you tried to deny griefing happens at all when you said
and i argued against it saying there are griefers
it would serve you well to actually read up on posts before making yourself look dumb
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