No moaning, just actually want fair play now… just cancel premades, or do premade vs premade. Enough said! because in my honest opinion i lose like 90+ % of bg’s atm (last 3 weeks). Walking into WSG/AB horde premade a lot. Make it fair Blizz, plz no crap all - get good etc… its gone too far now tbh.
FYI, i like a challenge just so u all know. But lets be sensible all. this is getting nuts for Alliance.
No QQ, just constructive comments plz
You’re playing the wrong game.
Cancel pugs.
You actually think it’s any different for Horde? At least your queues aren’t as long.
For a constructive response, you’d first have to make a constructive post.
Besides, we all know that you people only consider an “i agree pls ban premades” to be constructive. Anything that disagrees with you is nonsense, right?
I’m going to underline this next part because I’m tired of saying it in every thread just for it to be ignored.
Adding a solo queue wont fix your problem. You’re not going to get your “fair” games, you’re not going to get the “glory” days of random idiots running around not knowing what they’re doing.
If you add solo queue, you’re going to change the honor farm meta. The chances are that you’re not going to like the future meta either. The only way to not change the meta would be to make your solo queue “honorless”. However, if you did that, you’d screw solo rankers over just so you can feel better about yourselves when you see that victory screen.
Would you be happy getting no honor and no rep if it meant being able to play against pugs that dont care for the rewards of PVP?
Im all up for premades but make it so they play against each other … its just stupid being camped at GY by premades ive had 2 today that havn’t been and the rest have been all premades its actually getting ridiculous and making me play less and less.,.
Bla bla bla Mr.Freeman
I have to agree, getting roflstomped on GY in 10 out of 13 WSG matches in a row because of premade vs pug isn’t fun. Nothing against premades, but premades should play against premades, and pugs should play against pugs.
Okay mate, lets read through your post.
“Besides, we all know that you people only consider an “i agree pls ban premades” to be constructive.”
No, i think you are assuming i’m biased there :P. i actually do think you are, rolling horde mate re classic? but that’s the issue here, everyone assumes everything! I just want fair play, all i’m asking for.
To clarify. as an Alliance player atm you WILL get a 90% plus loss ratio re BG’s… full stop!
“Adding a solo queue wont fix your problem. You’re not going to get your “fair” games”.
Dude all i ask for is a level playing field… that’s it! and yeah, i cant call on all my Alliance friends to jump into a premade, but that’s irrelevant imo. Fact is, its totally unabalanced atm re Horde vs Alliance… that is the point… full stop!
Hence the Blizz… fix.
Form your own premades. Have nowhere to do it? Here you go, at add-role react with relevant for you realm and you’re ready to roll.
WSG EU https://discord.gg/Jb5gUGt
AB EU https://discord.gg/5MUyz5m
…Well, I’ll give you that. All the abuse I’ve received from pro-puggers has really stretched my patience and tolerance lately.
Yes, I play Horde, as I have done for many years before discovering my love of Draenei (the reason I’ll be Alliance in TBC)
The thing is that “fair play” just isn’t going to happen, not in Classic. Vanilla was never fair, it wasn’t until around WoTLK that Blizzard went into overdrive with trying to keep everything balanced.
There isn’t a solution though, not without re-writing the entire game.
And if Blizzard do that? We dont have Classic.
I kinda agree with you. But at Classic’s current state. All i do want is a ‘lvl’ playing field. Tbh do not care if i win/lose. Just want wants fair 
The only thing that’s going to fix it is time. People premade in BGs for efficient honor because the honor gear is still BiS.
Once AQ40 is out, it isn’t BiS any more and the amount of premades will drop. Once Naxx is out, the amount of premades will drop even more. People arent premading because “stomping noobs is fun”, they just want their rewards.
The question is though, can you wait 4-6 months?
Honest question.
Why are you not making or joining your own premades?
“The only thing that’s going to fix it is time. People premade in BGs for efficient honor because the honor gear is still BiS.”
Maybe, maybe not? Tbh i really do think there is literally a ‘quick fix’ to this. Just stop premades, and stop the hard core players having an easy time. i bet there’s a minority that do this, most are casual players Classic wise.
Also, btw i rolled horde in Vanilla, so i do get it, rolled a shammy and played with friends back in the day.
But seriously, if u had to play an Alliance char for a week or two @ lvl 60 re BG’s you would understand that at this current state, its broken.
If i had to bet its more the fact that horde have shammy’s (which r a fun class to play, even resto). Alliance don’t like Pala healing (or healing full stop) :P.
With that said, i would definitely prefer Horde Vs Alliance against Alliance vs Horde premade which is like 90% of the time in WSG/AB
Have you maybe consider fact it have nothing to do with honor and people just enoijy playing together in pvp mod? If anything most sense would make to actualy remove soloq sinc this mmorpg.
That isn’t a quick fix though, altering the game is just going to create more problems. The reason you even have the premade WSG/AB meta is because Blizzard fixed the premade AV meta.
The premade meta is temporary until people don’t care any more. If you think that, you’re applying a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Not only that, but people will then want a solution to the new problem.
Then a solution to that problem.
Then a solution to that problem.
And what next? Well it goes on and on, until you have retail.
I dunno? I’m pretty sure a few ish changes to the original command code (program wise) could stop premades… as Blizz did with AV’s after horde kicked off.
"Then a solution to that problem.
Then a solution to that problem.
And what next? Well it goes on and on, until you have retail."
Very true, but if Blizz changed it re AV for Horde, i do think its our turn for just one single change.
AV wasnt changed just for the Horde, Alliance got screwed over by the premade meta too. If you werent in a premade as Alliance, you lost. Horribly. Because the games always started at 17 v 40.
Furthermore, Blizzard have already intervened with premades. Back in the old days, and pretty much every private server in existance, premades would have a scout with them. The scout would join a game, and if it was against a premade; would tell their team to not join.
Afaik, Blizzard stopped premades from being able to scout each other.
“AV wasn’t changed just for the Horde, Alliance got screwed over by the premade meta too. If you werent in a premade as Alliance, you lost. Horribly. Because the games always started at 17 v 40.”
But it favoured the horde more so (beacuse of the horde qq’ing in forums), Blizz also brought in the ‘cant start’ without 40vs40 because it made it more fair, they decided to fix one big problem and a ‘smaller’ problem at the same time. Alliance got screwed over a with that (not massively, but in general bg game play). But honestly! the change was deffo for the Horde, we should both agree on that change dude?
All i’m asking for is one Alliance change to try make it equal ish.
Again, whether i win lose after a premade ban… then so be it!
There’s a big difference between AV and AB premading tho. For AV it was never intended to be able to join as a premade. And it was only possible for alliance to form such premades thus making it unfair. For AB tho it is not really unfair. You have just as much the possibility to enter or create a premade as the next guy.
“There’s a big difference between AV and AB premading tho. For AV it was never intended to be able to join as a premade. And it was only possible for alliance to form such premades thus making it unfair. For AB tho it is not really unfair.”
I think you have just ‘hit the nail on the head’. Its unfair… full stop!
Just ban premades! Then everyone (no matter how good they are?) can all fight in the same situation!
Also, forget Arena after this… that brings up another BIG can of worms that we don’t want to go to… FYI i hit 2.2 ish k on a crap ish comp re RoTLK times.
I said the opposite tho?