Apologies… I did watch a brief clip of the ‘your fav’ is Vanilla favour speech (if thats what you mean?). Maybe getting confused? I’m very tired atm. Got to work from home in like 6ish hrs re current climate xD.
Anyway, its just a game (although i care about it a lot). Just trying to get my point across to the masses. Take care all, stay safe 
Horde pugs face alliance premades just as much as alliance pugs do . 
Premades has simple goal, to have highest honor per hour, so when two premades meet each other, one stomps the other one, stomped one wont ress on graveyard … gonna be fun 
The main problem is vanilla honor system and it aint gonna change 
It is for hardcore bladder players and they usualy fight in groups
But Do not worry give it some time and there will be premades vs premades more and more because its really not fun to be the food 90% of the time.
This entire game is team-based. I don’t understand what’s keeping you from making your own premade?
You have exactly equal possibility as everyone else to make your own premade. What’s fairer than that?
t. Pugger
You make it so simple i’ve tried to make premades and sometimes it takes a long time to form a group . end of the day there is 100% to many premades being made and for PUG players who enjoy the random battles and not just being camped at GY . ive played about 12 out of 14 games that where premades i enjoy my solo play as well as team games im not against the premades but it just needs to be fixed in some way but its probably just the timing everyone cleared everything and waiting on new content . ZG and AQ should be out now personally already.
It occurred to me lately, that there are not many PvPers even in PvP servers. People play BGs, but most of them, are not PvPers. It is not what they enjoy in WoW. Ragnaros and Nefarian, are their main enemy, not the opposing faction.
In Razorgore, I see 2-3 premade teams. Out of more than 800 people, about 80 (my estimation) are really into PvP (and ranks).
It is not easy at all to form and run a premade. Even with non optimal setups (we had 4 Warlocks or 5 Priests in some games).
There shouldn’t be hard, to find a formula, where premades will fight premades and get honot bonus, in a way it will be almost impossible, for casuals to beat them in ranking.
Personally, I don’t even solo queue. It is just very frustrating, as people are very bad and selfish. You either face a premade, and they go chicken mode (let them win) or you play against pug (rarely) and even if you win, you have lost years of your life expectancy.
Its unfair to anyone pugging, dosnt matter if they can join a premade, if they pug and meet premades it is already an unfair bg.
Shoulda stayed at 59.
I’ve won 16 out of my last 20 AB games… all the tryhards at PvP are in Horde I guess. And at 60.
If you want to PvP for the sake of it rather than PvP for reward, then 59 is the place to be. There is no reward beyond the rep items and sheer fun. It’s the dangling of rewards that make people focus on honor/hour rather than just having fun, take it out and premades mostly go away.
And you don’t need Blizzard to change anything to arrange things so that is your experience of the game, you can play that way right now. That is the beauty of classic, there are so many more ways to play it.
Agree 100% with the op. Really premades need to be fixed. Dont want any of your fancy arguments, it was bad in vanilla its much worse now because the whole world are sitting at home self isolating. If people want to play with friends, fine, but its not that is it? Its a question of easy honor/hour = shinies. If you really want to play premades, fine, I have no problem, go play against other premades and have a "challenge". The truth is things at the moment are vastly different to when vanilla was out. A lot more people are forced to stay at home, possibly for months, and premades are becoming a real issue for those of us who come from servers where premades just dont happen in the main.
Face it guys, your taking advantage of a situation and forming arguments to defend it because it`s easy.
Every other aspect of life has changed in the current situation and blizz should take note and do the same.
Completely agree , im all for premades if i can get in one i will but to be honest i need to be in the right mood i love my solo play and i use raiding to interact i get it people want honor fast but i think its so much more fun solo playing and thats a personal thing when matches are even and you just win the game is exciting these try hard reaching rank 14 then what you going to sit in Irongforge with rank14 and smile for a few days before knowing theres nothing to do now ahah.
What about just pvping with rank 14 gear? When premading, most of your games are vs other premades and are fun.
Nobody is taking advantage of anything. People are playing the game the way it is supposed to be played; as a team.
You’re not supposed to be able to play the game solo and be on-par with everyone else: that’s retail’s philosophy.
WoW is an MMORPG. Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.
So how to fix this premade issue? Easy. Remove the option to solo queue.
You cant do dungeons solo
You cant do raids solo
You should not be able too queue for PvP solo.
Now everyone has to get a group, so everyone will be a premade.
Problem fixed, You are welcome =) No need too thank me =P
I guarantie you that will make alot of players stop pvp’ing, as many like to just queue solo for bg’s, but less and less will queue facing premades, so they do AV more instead atm.
So that will not fix anything for casuals at all, what will fix it, is what seems to be what most wants, premades vs premades, and dont complain if your suggestion is to actual remove solo queueing, because with your ‘fix’, you (premade) will only meet premades all the time anyway, since all pug’s would be removed by it.
Bollox pal…you levld as a team did you??
Lol this is a horrible argument!
Especially since people claim 95% play premades. So obiously what the vast majority wants is to play premades. Not that it matters though. All that matters is:
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No I obviously did all the elite and group quests solo. The dungeons I did while levelling? I also did those solo too!
I’m on firemaw, almost everything I did was done as a group. Or have you already forgotten about all the people doing the same quests and waiting for the same named mobs at launch?
There is no argument. Pugs are coming up against premades 90-95% of the time from both factions. That means premades must be doing the same. Easy life for some…especially the “no change” brigade who want the shinies with no effort.
From what I`ve read of your posts you probably sit in the “no change” brigade.
Vanilla was meant to be a challenge and it was, what you are defending is no challenge. Go to retail…you can buy the stuff there…or does mummy not give you enough money??