You can be right about patch 11.0 but not 11.2. Tww had its plot changed in the middle of its development. I’m 100% sure we weren’t supposed to go on k’aresh in the original plan for 11.2. Metzen was definitely involved in the development of the second half of the expansion
Source on this ?
- the sword in the main cinematic? forgotten
- the harronirs that were part of all cinematics and marketing for tww? forgotten
- the radiant song? forgotten
- the coreway? repaired and forgotten
- the rootlands? developed and forgotten
the list goes on. there are too many abandoned plot points that suggest the devs had other plans for tww
also, metzen and other devs said tww was supposed to be one big expansion but then decided to spread the plot across 3 expansions.
Lol? WoW’s had abandoned plot point since forever.
Never seemed to bother them.
But… I do agree that TWW was partially changed.
As far as I understood it: The haranir were supposed to play a bigger part, but their role has now been post-poned until Midnight or Last Titan (imo; probably the latter since the haranir have a link with Elun’Ahir, Elune and Eonar - unconfirmed but likely).
Right so you have only idea’s no actual source ok and Metzen has said plenty of times his actions will not be felt until Midnight.
are you a contrarian just for the sake of it? the structure of the plot of this expansion was changed. the devs said so in an interview
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No you said about Metzen and that is what we are talking about dont change the subject also devs do not do story the writers do.
not on this level. the harronirs were part of all promotional marketing and yet there almost no trace of them in the game. orwenya looks like a major character but she basically does nothing in
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I already explained this above.
Also, just one example: How many years did the sword go unmentioned now?
i addressed the “lol? wow’s had abandoned plot points since forever”.
since bfa but they based the cinematic of this expansion around it. people expected more
Yeah, things were changed and shuffled around, but afaik Metzen has not written anything for TWW specifically. It was already in place and they’re now using it as the start of the trilogy.
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again, you’re just being a contrarian. the devs said METZEN suggested to spread the plot of tww in 3 expansions. this is already a big shift in the narrative of the expansion. it tells you that undermine and k’aresh were basically filler content
WoW is going downhill on the storytelling side, that’s a fact. I don’t know if it is related to fewer people caring about the lore nowadays compared to the first years of the wow, or something else, but it is on a downhill. Even the main creator of it is now back on the board, but it seems like Metzen either has no effect on it yet or just doesn’t care anymore.
I mean, it is understandable. People don’t like lore, stories, etc. anymore. The new generation is consuming things faster than before; they don’t read long stories, they don’t watch or listen to long videos/podcasts, so why would they be interested in the WoW’s lore?
Yeah, the Arathi questline was really stupid and a weak attempt at the lore. I mean c’mon, it is damn childish, and overly “woke”. And you can/anyone can criticise it, so I can understand that, but also, as other people already stated, WoW is already far away from its original plot. (Thanks for the who-shall-not-be-named Kodick) I have been playing Warcraft games since Warcraft II, into WoW, and to this day, it is supposed to be about fighting for your place in this universe, alliances, traitors, ambitions that turn evil or good, sacrifices, etc. None of these have existed for so long already, and absolutely it won’t change anytime soon.
That’s exactly why I think Metzen will have no significant effect on the lore, cuz what happened when he wasn’t there can not be undone, and in the hands of terrible executives and storytellers when he was away, lore took a nose dive to the ground. You can not undo those stories that have been told.
I would just stop caring about the lore after this point if I were you.
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No and he stated himself that his touch will not be felt until Midnight its facts deal with it.
source on this? link the video/article
fewer people care about the story because the story is bad, not the opposite.
metzen can tell you where the plot should go, but it’s up to the writing team to make that plot interesting.
that’s not true. if the quality of the lore/story is good people will 100% get invested into it. look at the souls community: lore theories and discussions are super popular
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No. WoW has never been good on the storytelling side.
You just happen to like the old themes better than the new themes.
It happens. People are really just going to have to deal with it.
I didn’t like WotLK’s story. I dealt with it.
I didn’t like Cataclysm’s story. I dealt with it.
I didn’t like Shadowlands’ story. I dealt with it.
But now that they’re writing about some fresh themes instead of the tired regurgitating of the RTS storylines and no longer have this dumb faction back and forth anymore, some players turn into whiny toddlers screaming for their pacifiers.
Is all of the new stuff good? No.
But the old stuff wasn’t either.
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something can be bad and still get worse. that’s what happened to the writing in wow. the most memorable moment since bfa is that janky garrosh cutscene made by a single guy back in shadowlands. wow doesn’t need amazing writing, but it needs to be cool
the way they’re writing it is the problem.
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The biggest issue I have with the writing in especially DF and TWW is that they lack big over the top badass epic moments.
That was a staple. The story could be waver thin, but at the end of it, you’d get something big and epic. And THAT has definitely, objectively, been lacking in the last 2 expansions.
Let’s see if they can fix this in 11.2.
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You may not like the old lore either; however, that lore is the foundation of what we have today. At least in that sense, it is more respectable. The rest? The rest is flat bad. I agree with that.
These are all subjective, personal thoughts. I do understand that, but as I said, that lore made the game “THE GAME” we love and still play today.
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