About the whole "1.12.1" thingy, let's make something clear

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The reason why we’re not getting a proper AV version, a proper itemization system in general, or pre-nerf bosses and values is not because it wouldn’t suit the game because “lol it’s 1.12 so everything should be 1.12”, the reason why it doesn’t happen is because it would involved more work for blizzard: re-introducing AV before it was nerfed, revisiting raids to balance them, or just trying to re-introduce things from before 1.12 means that they’d need to do a lot of research, which means they’d have to invest time and money just to do that.

And they’re NEVER going to do that: classic wow is good because it generates free money, with 0 development costs, if they suddenly have to start spending more money on it then necessary, then it’s a bad idea for them.

So please remember that in the future: classic wow is a super easy way to make money for Blizzard, with minimum effort. If they suddenly have to start spending dough on it just to please, it’s not worth it anymore for them.

Again, Classic wow is vanilla brought back with minimum effort, nothing more, nothing less.

You can BET your azz that the same will happen with TBC: it doesn’t matter how seriously and frequently people will keep telling Blizzard about the necessity of using pre 2.1 itemization, pre nerf bosses mechanics and values (which matters a lot in tbc actually), they won’t do it, because it will cost money.

And of course, the EXACT same thing will happen if, one day, we get Wotlk: they’ll use the stock values of the 3.3.5 client, and won’t do anything about it.

Feels like this annoys me a little?..Yeah you bet, when even pservers invested time to counter these issues, but a multi billion dollar company won’t.

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yup, we’re getting “classic lite”, but we knew that already. And if we do get more expansions, it’ll be the same process like you said.

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Well, we will see how Blizz will fall once more and even deeper soon. After 3rd or 4th phase, people will be annoyed with those bugs (in that time it will be around 6 months with no Patch of bugs since start of Classic). New private servers will appear soon again, with TBC and wotlk expansions. And people will go there to play quality and awesome experience again…as old Blizzard offered many years ago. Not this…tragic"freeserver"like. So many bugs 2 months ago reported and still not fixed is terrible.

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2.0 itematization in TBC is a bad idea, some epics were so bad that they were instantly disenchanted because they were worse than dungeon blues.

And if they bring back 2.0 items it would only be fair to bring back bullcrap like elixir stacking from early tbc which is a terrible game design.

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What TBC (and also Classic) needs is pre-nerf content… simple as that. How can someone even spend a few minutes thinking about this topic and then say: “hey let’s give them players nerfed content it will be just as good and fun” srsly?

TBC servers will run with Sunwell patch and Blizzard will have learned nothing from their Classic release, TBC players will get the content with latest Sunwell patch values = everything nerfed to the ground.

Can’t wait, gonna be fun

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We recieved this version of classic as a gift.We have been asking for it , craving it so badly for so long , we knew that it wont happen but HEY they still gave it to us , and its perfect . Yes there will be some issues sometimes , after all its ramake of the original version called 1.13 . So most of you ware perfectly fine playing in privet servers but for some “god knows” what reason you have decided that 1.13 version is “bad” well now we are talking about different things here . World of Warctaft community is well known for its toxicity towards manu things that has to do with the GAME. I suggest you think about how serious impact has the GAME over your life and the psychological disbalans thats is causing you.

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so basically should go back to pservers?

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Blizz have stated in a press release they only have 1.12, found on a backup of a backup somewhere. They dont have earlier content, and recreating old content would be WORK for them.

Now they have decided to not do this work. I disagree with that, and most people do- but we arent stopping our subscription because of it. And this is what matters most to Activision Blizzard: do we pay.
Making a GOOD game hasnt been an objective for them since very long.

An upcoming TBC release might be different. Perhaps they still this have all the old patches of those. And then it would actually be easiest to just roll out all the old patches again in sequence. We will find out somewhere in 2022 I guess.

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So in other words “eat the dog poop” or you might not be served more dog poop?

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Quite a few people were stopping it over the world PvP fiasco. (too large servers compared to Vanilla engagement levels made World PvP go from a “sometimes problem” to a “persistent problem”.)

I’m sure that old AV was a big draw for a lot of people. We’ve seen people quit already.
So who knows if “we aren’t stopping our subscriptions”.

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Are you sure they only have 1.12 ? and what is this ?

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I believe the success of Classic has nudged some MMORPG devs in the right direction, and we might get a couple of actually good MMOs in 2020 or 2021. Until that, we’re stuck with this glorified paid pserver.

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/facepalm
No, that’s not what they said.

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Yes they did. It was in a video of some sorts. Should still exist.

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This is false. The loot system used is 1.10.

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I would not say it is zero development costs. There are so many bugs to fix, which they finally started to adress with the latest release. Imagine how broken classic would be if they would add balance changes to raids, stat progression of items and stuff like that. It would be a total clustf*ck and noone would know what is right and wrong anymore.

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Sadly this is all true. But still I think it would not be that expensive to make the content challenging. They could just increase all the damage taken by x % and increase HP by y %.

I am casual player playing with other casual players. Our gear is far from perfect. Many people have PVP talents. Only few people are using consumables or having enchants. And still we are able to clear MC with 30 people. The content is such a joke that we started going onyxia with 20+ people.

I know it´s too late… but if there is another WoW Vanilla recreation in the future, please Blizzard increase all the dmg and hp significantly!

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Not that I could know for sure, but speaking as a developer I would quite seriously doubt that’s the case.

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Unfortunately it’s likely to happen. But we mustn’t give up hope! I do believe there are people in Blizzard who care about making a good, well-balanced game.

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Unforunately these aren’t the people who make decisions.
I’m sure there are passionate programmers (and CMs before they were purged), but they are to do what they are told.

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