Ok so what about James Charles who harrassed straight men and even minors to try and turn them gay?
Don’t think your fix is going to work…
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This is the society’s double standards. Men being abused is not of concern apparently because “they can handle it” or something…
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You know they have to say allegedly before proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the situation/evidence is true and holds up?
You cant just walk out the door going “this is what happened - here is the proof” whilst building a case 
gives the other side plenty of time for a defence.
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It definitely matters if this is true or not in the sense that people are being bullied.
But it doesn’t matter if this is true or not as far as Blizzard getting a slap in the face goes.
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Just this to be fair, I’ve seen it over the years in the finance firms I’ve worked for, never participating because I was raised by women but it’s slowly been driven out but doesn’t surprise me when it still exists.
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I’ll bring you some positive news then: I work for FinTech and I’m not seeing it here. The women appear to be happy and productive. We’ve got a male employee who’s a little bit over the top but he’s aiming it at Tinder and stuff, not other women in the workplace. He’s not complimenting women in the workplace on their breasts or breathing down their neck or sniffing their hair or bringing buttplugs to events and things like that, unlike Blizzard management it seems.
Depends what bullying you’re talking about.
If we’re talking Rouxs comments about “white men” in an unspecific manner I’m sorry that isn’t bullying. It’s not pleasant but it isn’t bullying. It’s not remotely comparable to female employees being specifically sexually harassed by their co workers at all. That’s my point.
I don’t care for her at all but any attempt to try and make this about her and whether “she’ll get it as well” is pure whataboutery because last time I checked she hadn’t been directly harassing her male co workers or creating an uncomfortable working environment for them in a targeted manner. They’re worlds apart in terms of perception of harassment.
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It is alleged because for now they’re being sued, they aren’t yet found guilty. Nobody in their right mind would print this without mentioning that the accusations are, for now, allegations. But the fact that the district attorney is the institution suing them shows that an actual prosecutor or prosecutor team believe they have a case. It is definitely not something to be brushed away as fake news.
Also yes, this is appalling Blizzard…
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If she said to me what she said in those twitter posts in the workplace I’d report her to HR immediately, let me be absolutely clear.
And there’s no way she didn’t.
EDIT: And anyway, I’m not trying to take attention away from these women. I’m trying to bring attention to the hypocrisy of Blizzard and their sanctimony which, for me, is a huge part of this story.
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Doesn’t surprise me. The loudest advocates of wokeness are often disgusting degenerates themselves. J. Brack needs to clean house in his company. Fire all of them. Don’t care if it means more delays etc.
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If anything, given this is a 2 year investigation and we’ve seen an exodus over that time, I’d imagine they’ve been cleaning house since this was known.
Yeah but she didn’t say those things in the workplace, that’s my point. We have no proof of that and it doesn’t matter whether you believe she would have or not. You can’t slam someone with a harassment disciplinary on the basis of what you reckon they probably did do.
We can’t base people being harassers on how they may behave in x situation hypothetically, we have to look at how they actually behave in the situations they’re in.
Harassment in legal terms is the creation of a workplace environment that makes other feel uncomfortable. Twitter is not blizzards workplace, so there is absolutely no way any HR department of blizzard will pull her up over it.
Especially given they defended their own senior dev comments against a certain streamer as “it’s not their professional handle” and rouxs account is her personal account as well. So there’s basically no grounds to consider it workplace harassment, at worst it’s Ill informed mouthing off which is potentially bad PR. But even then, their handling of the streamer incident has hamstrung them to do even that because if his comment “doesn’t reflect the company at all given it’s personal” then she can summon a similar defence.
Any attempts to turn this into a Roux issue is IMO underplaying the gravity of the allegations in the report. They’re on totally different scales, but it wouldn’t be the first time people being up a “yeah but what about” in response to an issue like this.
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I don’t think they have. I think they should. I would 100% not blame any delay of wow or any game. Delay it till 2024, 2025 but don’t let humans work in bare conditions like this. Disgusting. You can’t make it up what they say and do, it’s absolutely disgusting.
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They wouldn’t react now, they’d have been served notice of a pending investigation over two years ago, given the timeline of events transpires into ‘old’ Blizzard and we’ve seen a lot of ‘old’ Blizzard removed in the time preceding then I’d imagine they’ve tried to curb the fire ahead of hand.
Though I sincerely hope that the state takes this as far as possible, anything to get rid of this horrible practice being a feature of the firms.
Her fellow employees can read Twitter posts, too, so even if I’m wrong… meh.
But that’s exactly what Blizzard does all the time. They’ve done it to like 15+ community members who were later innocent. They’ve even done it to contractors. What is it… like a couple of months ago where they replaced all voice lines from Kael’thas because a woman was actually harassing him?
Blizzard deserves this regardless of whether it’s true or not, but of course it matters if it’s true to me. I’m essentially upset on 3 different levels: Blizzard’s workplace harassment and the victims, Blizzard’s hypocrisy and cancellations, and what effects this will have on my own community in Blizzard games.
Well, they do that all the time. Except when it’s themselves, apparently. 
What about what? I’m not using her as an excuse to say that this is okay. Go full ham on all of it.
Whataboutism is to try to diminish something as less important because someone else does it, too. I’m not doing that at all. Please don’t say I’m doing that.
And I just wanted to make that one post about it anyway. This is being hijacked.
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You do know she doesn’t actually work in the offices of Activision-blizzard though? She was outsourced a contract to write a book which she most likely wrote at her home office or a wherever she writes but not in their offices and she would only have been there for occasional meetings at most, it isn’t and never has been her workplace, they aren’t and never have been her work colleagues.
I doubt very much she ever walked in to a meeting and said “dear white men…”
Her behaviour on twitter has nothing to do with the allegations of sexual harassment and a sexist culture in actiblizzards workplaces.
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You couldn’t possibly write a book this integrated with the lore without being at the office or at least in contact with Blizzard’s writers nearly every day. Blizzard’s music production is often outsourced but the people doing that are in the offices all the time.
But whatever, I’m tired of talking about her, too. Nevermind. Back on topic.
I’m not sure why some are turning this into yet another Roux discussion. She is not even a Blizzard employee.
Back on topic, I’m shocked by the news. I really expected better.
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Agree, it’s kinda derailing.
Whether an employee can read it or not is irrelevant. It’s not in the workplace therefore it can’t count as harassment in the workplace. It’s equivalent of being a town and hearing someone say something sexist and running to your HR department at work and telling them to sort it out on the basis the person in question works at their company. It doesn’t hold up even if the stuff she tweets is totally off the mark.
Tbh what will be will be. This kind of workplace practice is not on and if blizzard get their backsides grilled over it, so be it. That’s the price you pay when you go cavalier over workplace environment.
It makes me a bit sad seeing blizzard now and the blizzard of classic in terms of the stuff they go through but it’s probably closer to disappointment than sadness in truth.
What happened to them?
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The fact that a two year investigation lies behind the suit should raise a few flags.
I’m not ready to ‘cancel’ an entire company because of this though. Just as there clearly are villains here that needs to meet a reaction, there are also certainly individuals that are completely innocent in all of this as well.