Apparently hot take: the Thrall quest was fine, and comparing it to the Selfie patch is a joke.
It came with 4.2. That was the Firelands patch, with the Molten Front daily area too. It wasn’t the only content by any stretch. The attention the Thrall quest gets from players - objectively a ‘side’ thing for the patch compared to its core content - feels weird.
Agree that comparing it to the selfie patch is silly. But I’m still of the opinion that the actual Thrall quest line was not good. Rest of the content was good though.
BREAK YOURSELVES UPON MY BODY. FEEL THE STRENGTH OF THE EARTH!
Ozruk probably killed more monitors than any other dungeon boss tbqh!
There was really nothing hard about Cata dungeons. People just got used to zerging through without having to pay too much attention because “dungeons lol, ez pz”
It was like going back to Burning Crusade immediately without the gradual power creep that WotLK introduced.
I still maintain that the biggest change that radically made dungeons easier in Wrath was the change to threat for tanks that basically made it impossible to lose it, and making AoE threat building incredibly fast. Shockwave for warriors was huge versus thunderclap.
Also I think they made the change where things like the paladin shield throw didn’t hit enemies that were CC’d, but that might have been later.
Tanking in Burning Crusade was an absolute nightmare and I hated every second of it. But I did it anyway because I wanted the prestige and the fame.
People are welcome to their opinions, so I’m certainly going to say mine. Going from Wrath of the Lich King to Cataclysm was one of the biggest dips in narrative quality in the game’s history, from Elemental Bonds to the neutering the Dragonflights, to the majority of Uldum’s story being an Indiana Jones joke, to the disjointed handling of Garrosh, to a significant number of vanilla zones being transformed into memes and multimedia references.
I’m not going to call it the biggest dip, since Warlords of Draenor seemed like it had a similar impact for a lot of players and Shadowlands was Shadowlands even though it was preceded by Battle for Azeroth, but I’ll stand by my take that Cataclysm was awful for the game’s narrative and that it happened under the watch of the old guard, so I’m not going to expect sunlit uplands from here on out just because Metzen’s back.
I was wowed by the updates to the old world in Cataclysm, and being able to fly. Also by the potential that the story offered, but ultimately it was the first expansion where I dropped out mid way through rather than playing the whole thing.
It wasn’t a bad expansion I don’t think, but it certainly didn’t get the level of enjoyment out of me that I expected.
In hindsight, I’ll never forgive them for what they did to Ashenvale, and Darkshore twice now😩
A new “leak” on Wowhead. NGL, those images are very convincing.
’ Avaloren Expansion Leak for World of Warcraft 11.0? - Wowhead News’
Of course, holes are being poked into the “leak” which is good! But more fuel for the speculation fire!
Add tthis point I’m 100% convinced Avaloren is gonna be the next expac!
Same. The Algarian Stormrider does seem to soft confirm Khaz Algar, if that datamine is true. Gonna be interesting!
Images look very good, and I guess another ‘adventure’ expansion where we just chill in new lands isn’t a bad thing. Buuuut… this is the 20 year anniversary, I guess I expected something big. Like a world revamp.
I wonder when the mysterious mystic will pull out his vision bowl and start screaming about ‘KHAZ ALGAR’ in the Valley of Honor.
Yeah, probably announcing the game is shutting down.
My hopes are for Classic +
Another “long hidden island”.
YAAAAAAWN.
Honestly no matter what they come out with, I will be “Meh”.
Cause what I want is an old world rework. Kalimdor / Eastern Kingdoms. Update them.
But since this will never ever happen, then another generic “hidden lands” expansion is probably what we will get.
Even with the high chances of them failing horribly, I’d welcome a revamp.
I mean, they had more than enough time by now, honestly 
The concept of Avaloren just isn’t very exciting to me. But who knows, maybe that lack of hype will work in its favour – if people go in without sky high expectations, it may actually work out.
Of course, this is Blizzard, so there’s absolutely no guarantee of that.
i don’t want to go anywhere else. i’ve seen everything i want to see
don’t need to invent a new continent now blizzard. maybe just expand the ones we’ve already got. chuck a few more zones into kalimdor and the eastern kingdoms, why not
I would go so far as to say they should update every (old) zone to be in the same story/year.
Yes this means Kalimdor and EK, but also Outlands, Azuremyst, Silvermoon, Northrend, Hyjal, Deepholm, Uldum, Pandaria, Draenor, Shadowlands, Broken Isles, Dragon Isles.
Everything should be made post-Dragon Isles!
Just a week Boyz. I think we’re well within the acceptable range of every leak now will have higher chances of being the actual real deal.
If there is a slight bit of hopium still dwelling in me, it’s saying this. Would be nice if Blizzard instead invested time and efforts into the known and old continents, updating on what’s what, giving further depth. It all already exists, why incur developement debt by creating all new stuff when the old with a facelift could do? Same with the dungeons and new raids could be created in there.
What’s up in Desolace now? Has nature fully returned alongside the Tauren now recolonizing their ancient lands while purging the Centaur?
What’s the current status of Feathermoon Hold with it being one of last big center of Nelf civilization in Kalimdor? Did the Shen’dralar finally decided that it’s time to fully take over Eldre’thalas and revive it after expelling the undesirable?
Could the Horde be making definitive moves on the Alliance where its hold is weakest with enough distraction as it is with revitilizing Nelf territories?
What about the Barrens? Have the Horde Shamans decided that having gained ground they could close some of those DW scars in the earth and establish again trade routes?
What of the Eastern Kingdoms? A whole intrigue could be playing out with the Human kingdoms new and old, alive and dead with the marks of the scourge receding and gaining symbolic victories?
My point is, we could really get a form of Classic vibe again, a little updating on the current azeroth lore that isn’t an atrocious book that says nothing in the end.