Addons make ppl dumb

This is the sole reason why raiding in other games is harder. Dbm and wa literally tells you whats gonna happen, at what time and where you have to move.

It would probably be more fulfilling to play without addons, specially things like dbm.

I think it would be possible for sure, but would take longer to learn, I think that the things that the addon tells you during an encounter are there for you to see, but not in your face, dbm does help with countdowns though, imagine having to watch a clock as the seconds tick by to figure out when something was about to happen, it’s possible for you to do it and after doing it enough times you would just know, but that’s the thing, it would take more time, addons save time.

World of warcraft is designed to keep you playing as long as possible, with various activities that consume your time, where you have to memorise stuff, do things in a certain order, the addons can help you by presenting things to you more clearly and reminding you of things.

That’s the root of the problem.

I think that’s bad game design. Addons made some parts of WoW really easy; so easy that they were close to cheats. Although Blizz did disable some API functionality that enabled addons to do some overpowering things, like automatically select targets and spells, addons still make a lot of content much easier. Unfortunately, rather than disabling addons that make content too easy, Blizz chose to make PvE content more difficult by creating super convoluted mechanics that basically require addons. Just look at UI screenshots of mythic raiders: it’s absolutely disgusting!

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I’ve always found it a bit weird how people keep praising WoW for its raid encounters when you apparently need a bunch of different tools just to figure out what’s happening on your screen.

If Blizzard and the players are so lost in the sauce that they have to design bosses around addons, then something’s fundamentally wrong, at least in my opinion.

That said, my raiding experience is limited.

Addons for the win :+1: I am a crap gamer.

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to be honest someone did say there are many difftent addons acutlay that is also problem coz it make even worse to coperate normaly i would not bother coz can do with guild but coz of what happening to wow many good guilds did die coz players did left and now in pugs raids you can very hard see how some addons fail esepsly i see 10/10 players who fail simple mechanics just coz of blindly dps or like i had last time DK who and just pull little more DPS on Fate so he waited to last moment with bomb and puted it in terrible spot

i’m happy someone noticed that raids are designed worse and worse in fights i like idea but some mechanics are too much

other thing is raiding is just not worth of doing right now its coz of drop chance is so low you just better get on doing mythic + and wait for vault rewards than by raiding

Not 100% sure what you are saying since missing some interpunction. But you mention fatescribe, and what can i say about fatescribe. I haven’t seen him yet :man_shrugging:

But i do like my elvui, weakaura’s and clique for mouseover target healing. And for some reason MY dbm is not telling where to go full time and to press what button all the time. it is interesting it is for other people.

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Wa’s can tell you where to go. Dbm alerts you its coming. :slight_smile:

I need better WA’s! :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

OP, have you any idea how many people have disabilities who play wow? People with visual problems, maybe hard of hearing, or can’t even hear at all. I even recall a story a few years back of a totally blind person relying heavily on DBM for its audio cues and another add-on for his button pushing. He was able to raid with a guild primarily due to another raider calling out directions for him to run when bad stuff happened but it’s the add-on’s that let him actually compete on bosses, etc.

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Aha. I have 252 in bag since quite a while at this point. And im wearing 3 m+ vault items in total. M+ gear also happens to be trash compared to last season aside from a couple few slots. So yes Raiding is “worth doing”. Main M+ people dont complain about raid loot in comparison without a reason.

i would love to see limit play with no addons… in a race for world first.

Do it for the MDI and AWC since those are Blizzard ran competitions. Increasing he challenge for those might actually make them worth watching.

yeah it would be good … i mean deadly boss mods in itself is basically cheating.

Given encounters are designed with DBM etc in mind no.

LFR hero !

are you good at the game?

yes, i play with programs that break the encouters down for me and notify me with audio and visual cues way stronger than the ingame ones.

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lol i stopped taking the game seriously in tbc :slight_smile:

I get lfr vibes here im afraid.

Also given encounters are designed with add ons in mind it already makes your statement quite the facepalm. The encounters are intended to be tackled with addons, not without.