If you imply that them banning all addons so they could make mechanics and specs easier and save cash on the development of systems and fixing number imbalances…
and instead focus on more cosmetics and content like bgs, dungeons i like it.
Cause atm its like an arms race between devs and addons makers.
arms races are costly and stupid for both sides as history shows
I must be really smort as I never used any!
arms manufacturers love it though
ye so you can imagine how defensive they can be if called out, which was done by certain malding person.
regardless of the obvious, i still expect only heavier focus on mechanics and systems and addons. we live in the uncommon sense world. being ineffective and unprofitable is a key to mantain a job and prosperous career.
I tend to think that is it the addon makers and data miners that are the arms manufacturers and the two sides are the developers and the players, but whichever way you assign the roles, I think that this becomes an absurd oversimplification of something that is very complicated, I really think the whole metaphor doesn’t fit and it’s best to stick to the concrete facts.
I would summarise the situation as the developer allowing the players to customise the interface, to the point where those customisations have a direct impact on the players ability to enjoy playing, take part in playing and cooperate with other players to a significant degree.
Players that use certain customisations can have a significant advantage over players that don’t, and those players that don’t use the customisations may cause problems for those that do if they were to play together. This can cause friction, which may result in unhappiness or irritation for certain individuals.
I wouldn’t go so far as to call it cheating, though I can understand that it doesn’t seem right for the game developer to refrain from providing these customisations out of the box as an easy to access and supported option, instead leaving it for players to figure out for themselves, though one might argue that this very specific aspect of the experience is a central component of the fun to be had.
I’ve spent many hours configuring and settings things up to enable a certain play style, and the endeavour can be quite satisfying in itself.
Without addons I cannot see boss cast bars, because they are so small.
Addons also let me see hp of my raid and party members because blizzard ui is old fashioned and don’t show important information in easy to understand way.
Most of bosses don’t annouce they spells and atacks so player have no idea when he start casting something or use instant spell.
For example how we shoud pplay as a discipline priest or use healing cooldown, bubbles etc. if we have no information when we need prepare for big chunk of damage. I must know when I need pull out my dmg reduction on monk to take big hit for 150% of my hp.
I agree to an extent that addons like DBM are making players worse. Several people die in raids and dungeons because “dbm didn’t tell me to move”.
Ultimately it is up to each individual player to think for themselves.
Nah.
I’ve watched people die to stuff that is warned about several seconds before it happens on their DBM. A lot of people are just bad at responding to what’s happening in the game.
DBM isn’t what’s making them bad, they were already bad.
They’re too busy staring at the damage meter lol.
Nah, those people are often doing bad damage for their gear level as well. If they were busy staring at their damage meter that would be kind of laughable.
i’m happy finaly someone see it way i see trusting an addon is bad thing i dont mean ppl should not use them at all but damn you cant let addon to tell you what to do thats is difftence betwen good player or bad
will give you example of sytuation i had once on HC with with guardian ouer tank was bad didynt react in time with soaks and did die to 1 group soack right before last charging so and we used ouer cr on him already but we had do it on others also so the good tank was left without any support.
So when i saw it i react was was ready to do something to finish this boss not carring about my stats in dps like others and when tank took on him first group soak i fast taunted boss and moved away to not kill him or rest of the raid this way we did beat boss for 1 sacryfice.
i dont want make here pro player from me coz i’m not i still got sometimes hard to match good balance betwen secondary stats on warrior coz so far sites that i checked give me no clue what to do all they say max haste then max mastery but i made my own research latley and noticed top fury warrior DPS have like 20 % critic 25-30 % haste and around 30-40 % mastery and 3-10 % versality.
Anyway back to theme what i wanted show by this example i dont use dbm and yet i can better do that ppl who use it coz i dont wait for addont to tell me something
sadly Sendore is right ppl care more about DPS metter than mechanics i was kicked from 2 runs on hc sylvana just because my dps was 1 k worse than others well did not realy care coz what give all this dps if people instead of do mechanics dumbly dps boss and let arrows that chain people stay for so long that few ppl in raid die coz healers cant keep up so yes ppl too much look at damage
well addons that make you see bars better or hp or debuffs of your team mates are not thing to complain about they make more easy to notice thing but you still need focus and react to them while DBM and others exacly info you what to do and when make you stop think and let the addont tell you what to do while its great and make game easy to also make people stop think for them self and if something happen that addont wont react to you are doom coz you will panic and dont know what to do
actualy that what i loved legion for raids was hard but i was able to do them without any addon all you did need was focus and design of raids and dungeons was amayzing compare to shadow land i feel like all they do is do mechanics fights that no one enjoy like this guessing game with marks i actualy did learn how to find correct one and addon is not need but you need team with brain that each member move to one mark so you can see them all at once
yes its helping good players but in same time it make works all for bad players coz they dont learn they just folow dumb what DMB tell them and if DBM bugs or stop work they fail with everything and i saw it many times that why i say people who start game should play without addons let get used to fights and practice that way then they can start use this addons
you just show that this game make no sense if you cant beat boss without addons it just prove that something need be changed to game
well tell me how many times you found ppl who use dbm play bad? i meet lot of groups that dont use that addons or any addons and one shot boss like i did last week i did join run for fatescribe no one had addon and ppl did better runes that when i did this week this boss on my alt all had addon and coz addon did not say them to do runes they did not do 1 person ignored rune coz it was on tank and what happend wipe around 15 times and we did not kill boss
so sorry i wont change my opinion about that addons make people dumb coz they dont need to think, acutaly that go to real life also we got so many things that do stuff for us like match or other things we dont even need to use brains and i noticed that year by year new generations are geting more dumb even TV is matching now stupidy of people inteligence old times advertising was many times focused to convint people inteligent way to interest people in they product now all is so dumb i just cant belive how human kin dumb becomed seeing all that stuff in TV make me feel sick even cartoons for kinds geting dumb as hell how i know i have young sisters that watch it and realy sometimes i feel that showing that cartoons to kids should be a crime for destroying kids brains
I have raiding without addons for full Antorus patch and Daza’Alor because have some fpsu issues. And thing that mostly was bad is healt and casting bars that don’t tell you how much longer monster will be casting spell so you have no idea if your 3s shield will be enought or you need put it later.
There are also addons like Total RP that is one of most awesome addons that I even seen. Compare it to everything that Blizzard offer rp players over years it is huge. Because only thing that blizzard give rp players was transmong option.
There are addons that record your transactions, others that shod what items and mounts you are missing and lots of others that repair blizzard lazynest.
I can fully understand both sides of the addons argument but the reality is that Activision Blizzard should be making more additions/changes to the game client themselves rather than leaving addon creators to fill the gaps.
If they were able to suddenly decide to make the changes for 9.1.5 then they surely have enough man power to turn the game into one less reliant on addons.
THoes addons are fine i talk about addons that say you what to do and when to do coz from here many tunel vision players are born and also ppl dont react for example on fate scribe when rune is not done coz addon did not say them to do it
while addons you added are nothing i was talking about all time
honest blizard is doing that to fight addons but instead of try block them they just make raids so hard you cant play them without addons and even addons cant help you anymore so good but coz people did get used to simple raids where addon was enought to easy do raid now we pay the price coz they get throwed into deep water and cant count fully on addons anymore and its they fail coz they did let addons do all for them
I was more refeering to your “need to use more your brain”, which implies that Addon users could be “very dumb”.
its not impossible but yes bfa raids and dungeons were better for us non DBM players.
i have managed to do several full clears of heroic SoD, after learning mechanics in lfr and normal. no big issues so far, do runes and go down on kt as rdd cause i feel confident in myself. did 1 mythic boss, but dont wanna push cause i dont like the minmaxing my gameplay and discord coordination with 19 ppl, my head feels heavy from hearing all of the people on voice chat talking about their lives and etc. or wiping billion times on eye cause some special DH stacks debuffs. Most humans are too gregarious and rely on addons too much to think for themselves imho. i would raid mythic with NPCs or group of 5 humans tops
Sorry i practice that common sense = max profit thing not the white knight style
its their game, they decide how much of the arms race it is, they decide what mechanics, systems and addons will be allowed.
the fact that addon makers try to match every challenge is a normal legal human nature, but what devs think when they encourage that approach to the game i have no clue. i guess they prefer to build up their resume with the list of systems they have taken part in building in case they would need to jump the ship at some point…
- The mechanics designer worked on creating a super duper mechanic and some more time on tuning the mechanics for difficulties.
- Then the creator of the addon came and worked on the addon which trivializes the mechanics.
The result is the same complexity as before any of the work done.
The content is consumed faster than if there were simple mechanics and encounter addon ban.
You’ve lost me, what does this mean?
The addons are actually making it easier to overcome obstacles in the game, if that’s not the definition of cheating then what is?
The purpose of the mechanics is to soak up your time as you “work” to overcome them, so I think they are serving their purpose regardless of addons. It’s currently a case of waiting for the encounter addon to be updated, and then learning to pay attention to the encounter addon, rather than paying attention to the information presented by the base game.
I think banning the encounter addon would be the best solution, rather than making simple mechanics and banning the encounter addon at the same time. That way you get to play the game the way it was intended rather than playing dbm or bigwigs.
In the current game there is a lot of information not given by the base game. Especially for pro-active healers the game will be unplayable without timers.
And why do people make a fuzz about having a weakaura that is showing you get a debuff at fatescribe… Debuff-icons are very far in the top right corner. A weakaura is more visible.
Addons are not telling you exactly what to do and they are also not playing for you.
yes, besides, the content stays relevant longer and people learn gradually, from difficulty to difficulty , if they fail to master certain mechanics.
My apologies for my gibberish, I meant that the simplest explanations should not be discarded on the grounds that they are simple when they provide a clearer view without the emotional protection package of what you like.