Kael was in Dalaran to study magic. A city his family helped building. Not because he didn’t care for his people. Once doom struck he returned and tried his best to help them recover. Without him they would have never reached Outland. Allied with Illidan. Left the alliance. Take Quel’thalas from the Scourge. Bob was only a steward chosen to manage things while he tried to look for a new power source. Which became irrelevant when that plot was given to the Draenei.
But the people (they weren’t his at the time), didn’t see that. Their is a reason why the Elves treated him coldly when he returned to Quel’Thalas, after Arthas had left for Alterac Mountains.
When he rallied his people and declared that he would NOT take up the title of “King” as it wasn’t Anasterian’s time to die, that was when the Elves respected him. It was then Kael’thas acknowledged that he was away from his people; he spent more time in Lordaeron than Quel’Thalas and at that time, he even blamed himself for not being there to stop Arthas.
If anything, the Blood Elves are a race who want the truth and respect those who are honest towards them.
He didn’t take Quel’Thalas from the Scourge as he never returned to Quel’Thalas until after he attacked Lady Liadrin and the Blood Knights.
The teachings of Illidan were later passed to Rommath, who took the teachings back to Quel’Thalas. If anything, it was Rommath who secured Northern Quel’Thalas from the Scourge.
The Farstriders then dealt with the rising threats in the South and they did an extremely good job. Amani, Kaldorei and Scourge on all sides and it was the Farstriders and Forsaken who were able to keep them at bay.
If the Magisters had been in the Ghostlands and set up Fel Crystals, I reckon it would have been easier; however neither the Sanctum Guild or the Silvermoon Magisters played any role in aiding the Ghostlands.
You are heavily underselling his archievements.
Which were?
By his admission, he found nothing on Outland which could have replaced the lives that Elves had - he admitted that, himself. He still needed more for his people.
He did manage to save them from the Alliance, but that didn’t result in them being accepted into the Horde; most of that work was done by Lor’themar and Sylvanas.
The teachings of new magic was the work of Illidan, where Rommath later mastered those new techniques and was ordered, by Kael’thas, to return with the new knowledge to secure Quel’Thalas, which he (Rommath) did.
Netherstorm had endless energy. Which were harnessed by the mana forges. That would have been our new home. And he only betrayed Illidan because He didn’t keep his promised. Also the new of the Mag’har came from him to Thrall.
Which almost destroyed the region, as stated by the Scryers who also made up a powerful part of Kael’thas’ army. Blood Elves are NOT and have NEVER been about destroying lands and worlds. That whole extremism from the Sunfury was why the Scryers were formed and why the Silvermoon Blood Elves, in the main, were repulsed about what they saw when they finally discovered “the promised land.”
And the whole Mag’har stuff was promising knowledge; however the physical work was done by Lor’themar and Sylvanas. The Blood Elves had to prove themselves to Sylvanas and Thrall, to show they could join the Horde and be standing members.
Kael’s (which was Rommath’s knowledge to the Horde) knowledge about the Mag’har wasn’t a huge part. The Elves had to prove it and Kael did nothing on that front. It was all down to Lor’themar and Sylvanas. When the proposal to join the Horde was brought to Kael, all he did was “Yeah, sure…whatever.”
Dark’han’s head and Sylvanas’ approval is what got the Blood Elves into the Horde. Nothing what Kael did, warranted Thrall or Sylvanas accepting them.
Betraying Illidan was his personal gripe and took a portion of his army to the Netherstorm. But not all Blood Elves felt the same as Kael’thas. The Illidari Council, the Demon Hunters, the forces at Karabor Training Grounds, the Eclipsion Blood Elves…
The Sunfury were the main forces of him. I don’t know how Illidan bribed the loyalty of those in Shadowmoon but that plot is fishy.
Because Illidan seemingly had solutions, whereas Kael’thas didn’t. Illidan had the Fel on his doorstep, which is why so many within the Karabor training grounds were Warlocks.
You see, this is where I don’t like the story. Why should a whole race be told through the lens of just one character. Why should ALL blood elves think and feel the same as Kael’thas? Why should ALL night elves think and feel the same as Tyrande?
The purpose of the Sunfury split was down to the individual. Varedis, Illidan’s best Demon Hunter, had no reason to rejoin with Kael’thas, after becoming a Demon Hunter. Like Kayn, Allari and so many others.
The Illidari Council were all about pleasing Illidan and Kael’thas even cut off contact with Lady Malande and the Council as a whole. He betrayed his own kin
That is the thing. Diversity is not good. With strong leads you can carry a race. That is true for the alliance but not the Horde. Too many cooks ruin the meal. Especially when they are written like regular humans.
Diversity of thought is what drives the narrative. If every Blood Elf thought like Kael, if every Night Elf thought like Tyrande, if every Human thought like Anduin - you might as well cancel all the playable races and we all just run around as those characters.
I want a diversity of thought within the races because it shows how each aspect of society operates in different situations. What would the difference be between say, a Night Elf Mage and a Night Elf Druid. The lore tells us, starking differences to the utmost, but if the game doesn’t show this and makes all night elves think like Tyrande - how is that actually good? How can you make a compelling story to tell the differences between a Blood Elf Warlock and Blood Elf Hunter, if you make them all Kael simps, when the lore clearly tells us they hold different perspectives?
Blizzard did this beautifully for the Blood Elves. They stated that the Magisters felt the impacts of the lost Sunwell, the most, whereas the Farstriders did not, so both sectors handled things differently.
They tried doing this for night elves in Cataclysm with the Night Elf Mages; however I don’t think that was as impactful. Of course Highborne view the world differently from their lowborn kin, but that side of the story wasn’t told - indeed, the highborne just became simps for Tyrande’s rule.
You are 100% wrong in saying that 1 character can carry a whole race, because 1 character doesn’t and should never equal every part of that races’ society. How the ducking hell does Tyrande meet the “Highborne” aspect of night elf society? She doesn’t and she never will.
If you haven’t noticed it yet. Most characters in the Horde think like Anduin and Baine. Tyrande is some fresh air.
Well it can happen (and has happened), like what the Lich King or Sylvanas did with the Scourge and Forsaken who were almost completely controlled by them, or even among the living, characters like Garrosh or Elisande who almost completely controlled their own respective races before they went fully evil and the rebellions happened…
Erevien likes this concept of a “benevolent dictatorship”, in which the leader is so strong and powerful that can carry the entire race in a war or through dangerous times simply with his will, for the good of the faction (and indeed it is a very interesting concept, IF it is done and written in a good and interesting way)… so he sees the Alliance leaders as mostly capable of doing this without their people always rebelling against them, unlike the Horde, and bad repercussions indeed almost never happen to Alliance leaders. Granted, they are not dictators like Garrosh or Sylvanas were, but they Alliance can actually manage to maintain the control over their people when needed, and successfully.
But overall Blizzard, as a western company, will never be able to display a dictatorship under a positive light, so warmonger leaders following that path are always doomed in the end, much to Erevien’s dismay…
As long as the Ranger-General doesn’t exile us for still consorting with Demons, yeah, sure…it’s all good and we can coexist even with different opinions. The problem will start when either the Farstriders or the Blood Knights will get too much power and influence in Silvermoon that they will be able to give us the same Void Elf treatment, or even worse, the same treatment of Garrosh that he killed the Warlocks directly in Orgrimmar…hopefully that point won’t be reached, but still I am a bit worried that the Blood Elf society is indeed going in that direction…
Well, we could have indeed done it to make it way easier to defeat the Scourge in the Ghostlands, and faster too, if Lor’themar and Rommath really wanted back then…the region was already almost completely corrupted by the Scourge and their plague, you might as well spread a bit of fel and demons around in order to purge the undead (and Amani) better…
Finally someone understands me.
But all of that said - who actually liked the portrayal of Tyrande in Mists of Pandaria where she forgot how to fight in a forest?
When you pin everything into 1 character and that 1 character fails, it doesn’t inspire confidence in playing the race at all.
You need a range of characters to actually make use of a race’s full potential. Last I checked, this character was a Nightborne Priest, not a Thalyssra Priest or Elisande Priest.
As far as we know, the Sanctum is still in operation as they were keeping an artefact that Shinfel Blightsworn wanted and the Black Harvest claimed said artefact.
Blood Elf Warlocks are likely the same as Human Warlocks in that - they are a necessary evil.
Lor’themar might hate fel magic; however he still allows the Sanctum to operate, so they are a necessary force to have.
Unlikely as Lor’themar wants the whole of Quel’Thalas held, not just the Northern regions.
Loosing ground only allows their enemies to gather strength, so the Scourge, Amani and any possible night elf threat (which seemed to still hold a presence as far as the Sylvanas Loyalist Cinematic goes.)
I know, which is why each race needs time to shine and the characters linked to them, including those who are more background based, to come through.
Scout Captain Elsia of the Sunreavers was fantastic as she embodied what it meant to be a Sin’dorei Ranger, but her perspective on things is extremely different to that of Grand Magister Rommath, where we know that Sin’dorei Magisters do not like leaving Silvermoon City.
This is what I mean - pinning everything on just 1 character will NEVER make races shine.
And Tyrande is not a breath of fresh air. She’s an annoying character who should have joined Sylvanas, Anduin and Baine on the backburner for the next 7 expansions. She’s been a main focus for the past 4 expansions…can she please go away?
If people want to see kaldorei involvement, then we look towards Maiev Shadowsong. Probably the only Blood Elf fan who wants more of her, but by god - she drives narratives and stories and that’s what I’m here for.
I support the night elves getting exposure. I go as far and say that the night elves are the most important race. They influenced history the most. Then comes humans. Maybe Orcs. Tho they lack characters since all veterans are dead. Idk where to locate Nightborne and blood elves yet. WIthout Kael and Elisande I feel weird playing them. Tried Zandalari but then Rastakhan died. Currently I am sticking to my Dracthyr he is already 70.
4 expansions about them…come along; it’s time they disappeared and Void Elves, Nightborne and Blood Elves were given some of that time.
Blizzard should have just wrapped their story in Shadowlands, like how they did the Forsaken and return to Lordaeron.
Night Elves move to Hyjal and it’s official - Nordrassil is their home.
Considering I’ve never been attached to Kael or Elisande - I feel nothing for them so I do play Shal’dorei and Sin’dorei. Those two are just dead canon fodder, especially Elisande.
As far as I’m concerned, Sin’dorei society embodies many different traits from the Light, to Arcane, to Archery to a small branch of fel users, but each come with different perspectives with common causes. Defend Quel’Thalas.
Shal’dorei society is the same; however they are much more united in terms of their aspects. The only section of Nightborne society that might have a hard time of being accepted would be Shal’dorei Warlocks, but their is no lore on them anyway so…I doubt they will ever receive lore.
It is time for characters like Maiev, Jarod and Broll to get some attention, im tired of Shandris and Tyrande.
I would be happy to see the Kaldorei being led by the Shadowsongs, it would be some welcoming fresh air after having the same leadership for ten thousand years.
Probably see a few Highborne corpses litter the new night elf city, but it’s worth it…
And the Eldre’thalas dream forever gone…
Eh, we could just take it from the Ogres anyways, and we wouldn’t have to share it with the mages.
Just give Eldre’Thalas to the Horde Elves, where echoes of Kael’thas and Elisande could be reconstructed and teach their peoples the methods of weaving fel magic.
Hellaynnea gets her wish for more Blood Elf Warlocks
Ereiven gets his wish for Kael’thas and Elisande playing a role in the Blood Elf and Nightborne ways of magical practice
I get more beautiful cities for the better Elves.