After world soul saga, what is after? wow 2

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I see a lot of buzz words but no actual examples of what you want. Telling.

Pray tell, what are these advanced graphics. WoW already has DX12 and limited ray tracing. Me thinks you’re talking nonsense… even for a weekend.

When is no levelling still levelling… when you implement some other progression system.

What even system you implement for progression it’s racially levelling by any other name.

“you need 1000 gear points to progress this…” - levelling.

Horizontal progression systems dont work, people like upgrades. Why do MOST people PvP and raid. No, it’s not for the adventure, the progress… it’s GEAR.

legion they mode a new system where gear would give you a small increase and it was very unpopular. The truth PvPers dont do it for the love of PvP they do it for the gear to smash lowbies.

Same with raiders, they do it for gear upgrades. Once upon a time gear was very incremental, an upgrade wasn’t always an upgrade. Boy did people complain. Partly why ilevels are absurd these days.

Back in Wrath heroics were ilevel 200 blue. LK heroic 25 dropped ilevel 284 (or about) epic. We never even when over 100 ilevels in a whole expansion!

‘Sandboxes’ dont work as MMOs. Any time a dev has come out saying they’re making a AAA sandbox MMORPG they eventually pivot because only the loud minority want it.

In WoW world PvP is basically dead. No one wants to be ganked by higher levels. That has always been the case. Back when realms were realms high pop PvP realms were so lopsided one faction had 80%+ of the population. That’s “nature’s” way of saying no to PvP.

You use a lot of buzz words but you dont actually give any suggestions.

We have crafting, we have gathering, farming would basically be gathering+. Nothing particularity new.

The problem with PvE and professions is they can’t be exclusive. Blizzard have had this issue.

Where do you get the best gear - professions. Then why raid M+ and Mythic raiding.

Do you get the best gear from raiding, then why bother going to the trouble of grinding out the gear for professions.

Let’s not get into crafting mats etc…

lol, no it isn’t. The number of people who raid and do M= are in the minority. Why do you think they introduce more ‘casual’ friendly things like delves.

LFR was introduced in Cata precisely because most players dont raid. To justify the amount of resources raids take they introduced a more accessible version to funnel players into it. IMO it’ the raiders who make current LFR toxic. Blizzard even went as far as introducing a story mode to get players to see the end game content.

Like most things in life the minority are the loud ones proclaiming their own self important to to future of WoW.

All I can say is remember Wildstar.

In all seriousness, have you tried Black Desert Online. It’s probably the most realistic MMORPG out there. There’s proper account wide features. The character creator is arguably one of the best, people try and make their characters look like celebrities. Did i forgot to mention height sliders and all body parts are adjustable… yes ‘those’ too. Hiar is very customisable too.

It’s probably the WoW of action combat it’s really smooth and well thought out. there’s not too many abilities, all work by keyboard shortcut.

It’s technically a PvP world but there are consequences for it. There is a no consequences PvP realm. There’s large scale… or small scale siege PvP where your guild can own a territory… and collect taxes.

You can craft armour, food and even house items. Housing is instanced when you go through the door. It’s also part of the word so you can get a house inside the capital city or in a remote farm. You can have up to 5/6 houses and two mansions.

It’s not perfect by any means, there are some pay to (hopefully) win but if you dont need the best gear you can grind and get by. The PvE is getting better they have revamped early quest lines and have introduced light instancing and cut scenes.

You can play it on PS4, XBOX, PC and PC steam. You can not transfer/play between them. I’d recommend going for the non-steam version if you choose PC.

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I’m not a WoW2 person however I’d think they’d keep WoW 1 running and you’d maybe be able to transfer some status things over with you.

I’d say Wait until last titan but in the end there’s only so much Blizzard can do with a new expansion, even a new game.

Likely scenario:

You defeat the ‘Void King’ then find out there’s a greater threat… the titans.

Or it’s the titans that’s the final boss and there’s an even greater threat. See the pattern…

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I dont get it from where u people get these ideea to remove leveling …i think the devs listen too much community feedback that why the game have such bad state and content…

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Don’t worry, Blizzard rarely listens to players. Besides, whatever post trilogy is Blizzard will have all the story and features wrapped up at this stage.

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Modern games can be light weight also. They don’t have to go “pedal to the metal” with the visuals.

Eh, that is just a presumption. They can to make tab targeting combat.

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Yea no thanks.

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No.

The fact we are getting close to the eleventh expansion only affirms my belief that it would have happened a long time ago, Blizzard has no concrete plans to even begin a second MMO and more importantly they know that too many players (like me) have spent years invested in their characters and unless they were able to be transferred over to WoW2 it is an absolute non starter to start all over again.

Eurgh. How many more of these threads are we gonna see? Is this the new hot topic on Reddit this week that has been dragged over here?

Then why call it WoW2? Call it something else.

lol. Remember the vast majority of WoW players have movies disabled on DBM so they don’t have to “waste” 15 seconds watching Gallywix “die”.

No it wouldn’t. If anything it would be more reason for established players to play for 5 minutes then go straight back to WoW"1".

Imagine if they spent the time doing that for WoW.

GTA Azeroth? No thanks.

Which you can do in WoW.

No we do not. That’s not an MMO.

So basically. You want WoW2 to be Grand Theft Auto Azeroth? Not going to happen.

I also find it somewhat ironic that for someone who is desperately trying to plug GTA Azeroth in WoW2, you’re posting on the laziest cash in Blizzard could dream up, Wow Classic…

Reddit and AI.

The complete opposite. Blizzard have a barely disguised contempt for their player base. That’s why whenever you see new patch notes, they are filled with "our vision for (insert class here), also known as, “you ungrateful wretches want to play your class your way? Well, we’ll put a stop to that, have a 30% nerf.”

Wow. Keep it classy there kid. You forgot to say “OK Boomer” for extra Reddit copynpaste points.

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The whole concept of a ‘WoW 2’ is just silly at its core because if you actually break down what a sequel is, WoW already has that every 2 years with expansions.

What is a sequel?

  • An improvement on or redesigning of old stuff
  • New features
  • New story
  • Graphical updates

Thats just an expansion. 2 years isn’t enough to make a sequel, so try the typical development length of an MMO. Guild Wars 2 took 6 years to make. SWTOR took over 5 years to make. ESO took 7 years and so on.

So lets call it 6-7 years, or 3-4 expansions. 3 expansions ago was BFA, 4 was Legion. Does the game feel like BFA or Legion? No. Talent trees are back, there are new races and a new class, there is a whole new movement system for mounts, there is a UI overhaul, there is airlocking technology, there is Delves, there is 2 new PvP modes, there are hero talents and then theres also a few hundred hours of extra story thrown in there too and a bunch of other stuff.

A sequel’s worth.

Do the same test again, but now start in Legion. Count back 3-4 expansions, where are we? Cata or WoTLK. Does anyone think Legion looks like Cata or WoTLK? No. It was a sequels worth of change.

Now the same test again, but think forward. Assume you start at TWW launch and its the year 2030, whats been added to the game? Housing, likely another class, likely another race, likely more graphical overhauls, likely more features like new PvE modes or PvP modes or whatever.

WoW gets a sequel every 6 years, you just get to see much more of the development cycle as opposed to say not playing Red Dead Redemption 1 while they spent 7 years developing RDR2. That works with singleplayer games, it doesn’t work with MMOs were people want content every few months or the whole ship sinks.

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Weren’t the loot boxes taken out because of the law in many countries? Not that I understand why regarding the free ones. I really loved the loot boxes, but I never bought any. I just played to earn them.

I loved OW1. Miss it, but had to stop playing OW becuse of my baby/toddler waking up mid games, so not purely because of thinking OW2 was worse. I never understood what they tried to achieve with removing the 2 tank system either. Other games don’t have shorter queues because it’s only 1 tank, so why would it fix anything in OW? Personally I loved playing tank, but felt too much as the center of attention after they went to 1 that I pretty much stopped playing tank after that change.

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I´m fairly certain, though I can´t find thd interview anymore, that Ion said they´re already throwing around ideas for 17.0 :wink:

WoW is not going to die anytime in the forseeable future, much less be supplanted by the fabled WoW 2 using Unreal Engine 5 that so many harp for…

In fact, by the time WoW 2 becomes realstically feasible UnrealEngine will probably be on at least version 7. And it still won´t be used to make it because the game won´t feel right in players hands. because contrary to the popular belief of most gamers, a game engine is MUCH more than just updated graphics fidelity. :wink:

To put it in automotive terms, players seem to think the Game engine is just the Bodywork. But the game engine is actually the chassis, the frameworks everything else is built upon and the primary defining factor in how the vehicle feels /handles. The GFX is the bodywork, primarily an artistic /design choice, and the traditional engine is your PC hardware. :wink:

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It was Metzen:

And regarding game engine, if they have to use a non-Blizzard one but a 3rd-party, they have to look no further than idtech which they now own (Microsoft owns Zenimax, Zenimax owns Bethesda, Bethesda owns id software).

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AAAh, so that´s why I can´t find it, good save :slight_smile:

A Quake series engine would also still feel completely different. (You can call it Idtech /DoomEngine or whatever they´re now using as a moniker, but the roots are still in the original Quake engine from 1994(?), it even still has code from way back then. Just as Valve’s source engine is still at it´s core nothing more than a Quake engine with 12 dozen turbochargers, 3 blowers, and bored out to the point of near absurdity.)

Just as Quake based games feel different from Unreal games, this is one of the primary reasons Quake based products such as Half Life /Counterstrike /Doom feel much “faster” than Unreal based games, which is itself also a large part of why Unreal as a franchise fizzled out while Doom, Half Life and CS continue to thrive.

That said, Blizzard has never had any need to rely on a 3rd party to develop their engines, and I see no reason why they would want to swap to one just to have to rebuild half of it to allow them to implement features they already have.

But, just for the lulz, if I imagine WoW running on an IdTech engine, my first thought is that running will feel like a 60 or even 100% mount does today, and dragonriding might as well be the Milennium Falcon blasting through hyperspace :stuck_out_tongue:

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That is exactly what i would say if i am working on WoW2.

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The big reset! :slight_smile: 2030…let the conspiracy theories start! :slight_smile:

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I guess World Soul : Classic

:dracthyr_crylaugh:

with Remix, Skin and Mount Store for 20e and more !

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I think WoW will have a time skip, and then Blizzard will do a change of the old guard, so to speak, and have some new characters take over in the setting from the old. A new generation if you will.

I don’t think there’ll be anything major going on in WoW itself. I think the World Soul Saga will conclude the main narrative of WoW, and then the time skip (5-10 years?) will be a convenient way of avoiding having to deal with the immediate aftermath. Like Blizzard did after Shadowlands.

I think it’s likely that Blizzard will do more Sagas or multi-expansion stories, because that seems to be working for them.

I think the expansions themselves will be smaller still and probably also release even faster. A 1 year cycle, whatever it takes, is something I could easily see.

In terms of story I think Blizzard will go for something down to earth to contrast the cosmic scope of The Last Titan, as well as to create a good foundation for presenting a new lineup of main characters in WoW.

Beyond that I don’t think too much will happen with WoW itself. It’s a forever game, so it’ll carry on mostly as is.

My curve ball guess though, is that the ending of the World Soul Saga - the fancy cinematic at the end - will spark a new universe (because Azeroth is creation), which will become a new game. Not a WoW 2, but a game universe born from within the story of WoW. A nifty way to announce and hook a new IP.
Because I think Blizzard wants to move beyond WoW, but they still want to entice WoW players to come along with them. And this would be a smart way of going about that.

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In terms of story I think Blizzard will go for something down to earth to contrast the cosmic scope of The Last Titan

We are in dire need of the story moving away from this grandiose and never ending escalation.
It really seems that the writers either struggle or do not understand that to build a world you have to build its history. History is built by smaller stories and struggles, both connected and unrelated.

TWW might bit a tiny bit of an improvement in that regard, but we are still so far off having a world anyone would actually care about.

Instead of every mini patch introducing new races, have the current and already numerous ones evolve, have their stories span into a something resembling a development instead of being a whosever dump hole for exposition.

It’s time to put Anduin, Khadgar, Alextraza and all the rest of the gang of “interesting as a plank”, to a long overdue rest.

My hope for the end of this so called saga is that we lose, and that we lose hard.
We need to go back to the trenches and stop hanging out with a carousel of used doormats.

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Classic shadowlands

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I dont think this happen. WoW still much update. Never make “WoW2”

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Everyone loves a good conspiracy theory!!!

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