I tried to, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
That is so cute! It’s lovely to see people so passionate about their WoW characters. I’d love to get something like that of my Draenei one day. 
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I can relate. Poured in 35€ for a headshot ‘emergency commission to cover bills’ piece back in September, with the deadline being ‘a week later’.
Tomorrow is december, and nothing has been shown until now. Communication is spotty at best.
It really does not help when artists don’t take their ‘business’ seriously.
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I already gave my answer to this topic in the previous one. Initially, I was of the opinion that AI art isn’t inherently wrong- And I still maintain that core belief. AI art is here to stay, like it or not. Just like craftsmen trying to fight the cloth industry in the 1800 and 1900’s, it’s a losing battle.
… That being said, Acrona convinced me that AI art that is generated from other people’s arts is theft. In a similar manner to your data being stolen. That is wrong.
I suspect what will happen is that we will have art sites / platforms that differentiate on what they offer to artists based on whether they allow their art to be used by AI or not. Maybe it will even become a terms and iconditions hellhole where you are for all intents and purposes forced to give the art up, or not use a platform.
And even it only takes one person to leak that art into one of those alghoritms and then you will have a very hard time having it removed.
What do I personally think of seeing people with AI art? I have to say I haven’t seen all that many, if I am honest. Then again I very rarely even read other people’s TRP’s, so I would not know how common it is, misuse or not. But if it is made from stealing other people’s art, that’s obviously wrong.
I have to admit though many AI art pieces I have seen look really, really pretty. Especially the Landscape ones, the AI is able to make some really beautiful backgrounds.
This is a cope if I have ever seen one.
The first cars were not profitable the first decade they were made, and yet people kept pushing the idea. Rockets that take things to the orbit too. For the longest of time neither were solar panels or a myriad of other things in the world. And yet here we are. Research and innovation takes time and sacrifice of present for the morrow.
AI, be it for art, engineering or whatever purpose, is definitely not a dying thing because of problems in a company or two, big or small.
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That is Extremely cool, I love it.
Alas, they only work for the UK. Sad day indeeed.
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Label of a commie is not much better, both them and luddites are losers of the highest kind. And even then, the text piece isn’t some abject biblical gospel truth, that’s just one interpretation of what the Luddites wanted. His view is equally if not more valid, given the aftermath.
I think the luddite analogy doesn’t work here however because at least in the case of the machines churning out thread and fabric, that machine did not steal the raw materials or work from the workers. It replaced them.
AI that learns from other folks’ work is data theft, on the other hand, unless they consent to it.
I prefer commissions from artists and they did a lovely job doing my pandaren and other characters.
Of course I can’t afford commissions most of the time because of my weak allowance and how expensive everything is after 2020. But I do get one at least once a year.
While I don’t like the use of Ai because of points discussed here, and I wouldn’t use it myself, I still wouldn’t care if someone else was to use it. Everyone has their own opinions and beliefs and I respect that.
Sometimes I use Hero forge as well, just to get an idea of how I want my character to look like.
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No you are right, my wife does crotchet gifts. But didn’t make that fabulous Tauren.
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3 months later of near radio silence, the above image came instead.
damn that’s crazy, I should become a fiverr “artist”
free money hack
I only scan these forums every few months, wasn’t there a guy in a previous thread about this who said that he saw an AI imagine and it was “the most beautiful piece of art [he’d] ever seen” or something?
Got a good, solid laugh out of that one
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Slightly late to this thread, and there’s nothing really left to comment on regarding AI, but I’ll comment on this (haven’t read the entire thread yet, someone might’ve said the same in the next 100 posts anyway woops).
The slogan ‘AI art is theft’ is just an internet slogan, as AI art itself cannot be considered art either, and it isn’t theft either. Much like with almost every other internet slogan, it’s just something sometimes organically created (f.e. Twitter post trying to say something and other people seeing it and reposting that message) without really thinking about if the wording is 100% clear cut every single time. I’m sure in many of the threads or social media posts, what we post isn’t always 100% thought through because sometimes you’re just posting with emotion or vibe. But if it’s somewhat memorable, it could take a life of its own.
Most internet slogans will stumble when you try to take them literally as is, and instead should be interpreted as a short memorable slogan for a more clear, accurate meaning. Compare ‘AI art is theft’ to ‘AI generated imagery is copyright violation and/or plagiarism’ (with an added explanation on why you should care as well - try telling a random nobody who doesn’t really care about art why they should care whether an artist loses their job thanks to AI, as they’re not the artist themselves after all).
This in my opinion tries to make it sound a little scarier so it’d also be taken a bit more seriously.
I suppose this is the actual question of the thread though - is using AI generated imagery as character references for RP purposes moral or not? Personally, I’d rather not see AI art at all, as it simply normalises the use and emboldens those who would use it for more commercial purposes. I’ve seen some indie games use AI art (or at least heavily suspect they do). If someone makes a free game, maybe mostly meant as training for their coding skills, and then uses AI to generate imagery to go alongside it, would that be morally ethical or not, if it’s then also uploaded to sites like itch io and whatnot?
Finally, to add my own two cents - I wouldn’t use AI generated imagery for character references/RP purposes because you still have very little control over what you want. I’d rather work with an artist to get something I can specify for than a regurgitation of keywords that might have fit artworks it was generated from, but not always fit what I wanted. In my opinion, it does not make sense to create your character in text first and then generate imagery for it, it almost feels like you have to ‘create’ the character first through AI before then actually describing the character in text, as you’ll still have some disconnect with your own description and the generated image.
I suppose some people do not want to think hard about their characters and will create throwaway very generic characters that the AI can generate an image for within minutes that mostly fits their brief, but I’m not sure how willingly I’d want to attach any longer RP sessions to a person who’s already so detached from their own creation.
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I didn’t have many outgoings at the time so while it was sore it wasn’t like i pulled pennies out of the sofa in the hope of getting art. But it’s certainly a kick in the teeth.
Hope you get your art man. Just a shame there’s no real accountability beyond “hey this person is a thief”.
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several tools that you can use without having to utilise AI generated images. It’s just laziness. I mentioned several in my reply earlier in this thread, such as Picrew, Heroforge miniatures, art raffles or just buying art and supporting artists. No excuse for AI, personal use or otherwise.
I made note of this as well, but I’m going to use an example personal to myself - I myself have a condition which affects my hands. I’m likely going to have arthritis before I’m in my 30’s. I can’t write with pens for more than two minutes at a time because I get horrendous hand pains, I get them when I raid sometimes during particularly nasty pulls and I get them when I draw. I still draw. I also pay people to draw for me.
there are avenues out there for people like me that don’t involve gutting artists of their work, disabled or otherwise. I know my condition isn’t the end of the world compared to folk who have it worse off than me but it still affects me, but despite that, it’s not an excuse for me or anyone else to utilise tools that actively exploit other’s work. Nor does it seem okay to just settle for shoddy imitations because of a disability.
No excuse.
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I played around with AI art for some fast fun results, including having Blondie shaking the hand of President Trump (for some reason it couldn’t do Clinton) in a patriotic style painting.
But again, as mentioned before, it’s theft. And not only is it theft, I personally find AI really bland and boring. AI art is often programmed to make soulless “perfection.” I did art school, and quickly learned that there is nothing more boring than perfection, as someone can draw a face realistic as possible, and yes that is impressive, but someone can also do some weird funky stuff and it be more rememberable.
I have my own wanky drawing style because of this, and my in group enjoys drawing eachother’s character in their own unique style. AI can merely copy. And good artist copy, great artist steal, is the saying.
I rather commission my four year old nephew to draw my character with crayon, and be happier with the results, than have soulless AI generated character art.
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Agreed. Me and a good friend of mine are fairly new artists and we’ve traded art of one another’s character a few times before as practice and just for fun and that art of my character has a thousand times more soul and character than if we just used AI.
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I thought so! Sometimes my brain works!
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welcome to the “early onset arthritis before you leave your twenties” club.
I hate it here.
(had a type of arthritis since my early twenties)
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By that definition all art is theft… Since almost all art is based off referencing, some more than others.
Only real issues with AI art is three things.
- Corporations looking to screw over as many people as possible to reduce their expenses.
- People passing off AI art as not AI.
- Lack of providing references.
There is a massive difference between having a reference/inspiration and then creating something yourself from it by hand, compared to copy-pasting details and glueing them together which is what AI art is.
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