All healers except Shaman undesired in m+

Happy now though to see Disc slowly is taking over :slight_smile:
Nr 1, 2 and 4 worldwide are disc. 5 out of top 10 :slight_smile:

And I am happy this occurs with out nerfing RShaman.

But I am worried that PI and Fort will become mandatory once again. As it was for ALL of DF.

Again you dont understand. Its actually sad to be that clueless :smiling_face_with_tear::smiling_face_with_tear:.
Ill say it AGAIN. Disc enter when sham goes from healer to DPS so AGAIN this is not disc that’s shaman AGAIN going to another spec because mage arcane is now unplayable among many specs

Crazy that everytime I scroll any subject you come saying the same meaningless things. The 50 first time you didnt understand maybe ? :smiling_face_with_tear:

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What about fight length? What about a prio add that has to die quickly?

Your analysis is so simple its laughable.

If a class has 3 min CD’s and a fight lasts 2:59 their damage will be comparatively low. If the fight length is 3:30 they may shine.
Same kind of thing goes for adds, if a class has to ramp on a low HP add where another class has no ramp time.

So it goes on.

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I agree that his exemple is not really accurate but my take is on ilvl scaling issue. Some specs scale better like SP and if you line dps around 639 ilvl some at 620 will be very bad

I think if you take an hour fight as ref 3mn cd or w/e doesnt matter, does it ?

I am happy you do not understand you are in a healer topic. After 300 posts.
Talking about meaningless posts. Well done.

Does that mean you can neglate the data except healer one and be a complete idiot ? Or the healer as every other role is a part of the group ?

I mean that’s some very low IQ answer my friend :sweat_smile:

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It means resto shaman is not extremely overpowered and is basically pushing all other healing classes out of the entire M+ category like the OP is claiming.

So yeah, what you try to do here is extremely low IQ.

An hour doesn’t reflect reality though. Unless you then want a discussion on “why sim doesn’t match ingame results”

It matters a great deal.

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Data shows that rsham in m+ is extremely overpower. In your hand it might be weak but data talks.

Now datas shows that shaman is extremely overpower and is needed in every highest key either healer or dps. If dps you bring disc because it is the 2nd best healer right now and with PI you speed up things which is good for m+ also.

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Data is slowly showing Disc is overpowered now?

For the record; participation data isn’t saying anything about overpowerednesses.
Your claims are indeed extremely low IQ. I just go ignore you from now. You don’t understand the bigger picture.

The current best healer is a disc priest. Also the number 2. And 4.
With so many resto shamans and it being the number 1 healer. Overpowered, in your words. You would expect it also to be the number 1?

Whatever. Low IQ. You do not get it.

I might dont understand why. If you are in m+ you are fighting all the time the thing is to know if you use your cd at the end of the pack if that’s worth or if you wait next one right ?

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Ill leave other people more patient than I am talking to you. Try to watch stuff and learn before talking next time would be good for you to not look stupid

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Stop strawmanning

When people can’t explain why a spec is OP, it might not be OP. People can basically only come up with the current dungeonpool is fitting the shaman quite well.

I explained many times, you just want to sit with closed ears and sing lalala. I have no time for this
Others explained as well

You do not want to hear everything resto shaman have now that is considered OP, also was there in DF.
Others have explained that quite well to you too.
And most have also explained HPS isn’t exactly the highest either.

Speaking about closed ears… Look at yourself.

Because dungeons changed didnt they ? They now cast always when they can, which is a new condition in tww if I am not wrong. So a 12s kick, stun aoe 5sec and a bump now has more value than it used to be specially when you compare to others classes.

As I said already I think, shaman overall is too powerful not rsham specially. The left tree is broken for m+ and how they work and again the matter of this is not to specially nerf sham, is to give some tools to others too.

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They were ranting about it in the other topic earlier so it makes it really interesting

What did you explain? Other than:

Shaman utility should be nerfed to the ground rn

Which is nothing but idiotic to state. Followed by:

Dungeons changed

Ta-da, it’s not about Shamans. It’s about the dungeons being horribly designed. ‘Nobody’ asked for so many casters, interruptables, aoe poisons, … let’s not blame Shamans for that and the toolkit they always had.