When they cant do +5 on other healers than resto shaman they will also not be able to do it on resto shaman.
It seems meta healer is constantly rotating. Everyone is mad that resto shaman is meta now, but back in DF/SL - they were mediocre healer at best. I even had always run my own key to get all old 20ās (whatever number are now, 10?), because people only wanted meta healer. Cycle continues, this time itās resto shaman turn.
Shamans are fine. Their toolkit fits this season perfectly, but I donāt think they are an outlier when it comes to healing output.
The state of priest is unacceptable though. When I play my priest , I just follow the group, heal, and hope that my team handles the rest for me. We have no meaningful crowd control . No meaningful dispell, at least this season. We donāt have an interrupt or silence
Remove pi if thatās whatās holding the priest design back. But at least give us the same basic tools every other spec has.
Not exactly true as we can see there is bunch of DHs doing 14s , much harder than 12s , there is also dk pala and monk with timed 13s.
So yea all tanks are capable , its just harder .
And ranged kick with low cd, aoe stun , BL, self ress, aoe dispell etc etc , on ton of that tons of throughput .
Ive played with some good people and holy pala cant pump healing rsham can .
If what u saying would be true then next week hpal and rsham will do same keys because they will both offer 3% dr, and we all know this isnt it .
Its the utility comined with raw power , thats why it deserves a nerf more than any other healer ( or buff to rest but its hard to balance utlity like that)
Just look at keys 12 and up, for tanks u have 33% for warr then like 25 for druid 18 for dk and 12 for Dh. Ppal and monk are lacking behind , monk isnt popular and ppal is in rough state , this makes sense ( ppal might go up next week due to buffs)
So the difference between most and least used is ~32% at this exact time .
If u look at healers , u have rsham at 77,5% , second is priest (2specs) at around 8, the test isnt even at 5%.
Difference between most and least used is ~ 76% .
Dont tell me this isnt just wrong , when out of 6 specs we use one for that job almost 80% of time .
Also there is 21 timed 14s so far, there are 3 tanks used , only rsham used as healerā¦
At the very top on the professional level this is always the case. We arenāt going to take a snapshot of 21 runs for the whole performance of all specs, do we?
The top 0.001% of the players use every advantage they can get. This isnāt news.
What does this have to do with the 4ās or 7ās or whatever youāre doing now? Sure, shamans are better, but only a bit (unless youāre a holy priest)
Iām so sick of people holding up the bleeding edge as some kind of justification, why donāt you talk about the 99% and not the fraction of a %
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Dude even if u look at 10s shaman is taking 50% of all runs.
Ofc top players use what is best , even if its minimal gain .
But why tf are they nerfing hpal and doing nothing at all with rsham when its clearly ahead ?
10+ is still the top 10%, āDudeā.
Because they nerfed based on hps on the raid. And you like it or not but resto shaman is behind on hps on hpal.
Speaking about those 21 timed +14ās. Half of those 21 runs are THE SAME GROUP. What a surprise we see the same specs.
By a minimal difference, and only in raid , perhaps, where u can perfectly time healing required.
In m+ its kinda different story .
Also most grups used only 1hpal, not even on all fights, and that only because they couldnt get pala utlity anywhere else .
And thats also it, if one class has all the utility, one of strongest raid buffs and what not, it shouldnt also have most healing and on top of that doing one of better dmg by pressing 2 spells while not requiring to heal
And the other half isnt , yet they still used it.
U can try however u want but u cant deny rsham is busted compared to rest
Donāt shoot the messenger. Someone asked why. I answered. I am not blizzard.
I donāt care about whatever healer is meta.
Holy priest is absolutely horrible atm regardless of what the meta is. Itās only ever really been good in sl season 3 & 4, otherwise itās been downright bad or just meh, but itās never been THIS bad before. And theyāre doing nothing to fix it.
Yeah yeah yeah. Sleeper busted since legion since all those utility was already there since legion.
When it is about hps everyone should play evoker. But it is quite āstupidā to play 2 of the same classes in 1 M+ group. Since aug is needed.
Shaman isnt top HPS, not top DPS, not top survivability, no (tank) external, no battleres. But it is super OPā¦ right.
Its not utility only, its utility combined with throughput .
Also did u have aoe poision/curse remove back in legion? And if yes, was it as crucial as now ? Cuz i kinda cant remember.
Next thing is new rules with kicks/ccs , this also helps shamans a lot .
Then u gained raid buff which u definitely didnt have back then, and lets not lie to ourselfs , its not a weak one.
So yea, its not āsleeperā since legion ā¦
Yet we have top runs with rsham and shaman dps 
Eaarthwall or spirit link? One could argue thats better than others have , also perma 10%hp isnt something to neglect
U wanna fight statistics and all the tier list and what not to prove them wrong ? If it isnt OP then why is it most played across all levels
not sure waht you mean . venthyr resto shamans were very desired in m+ in SL due to the dps they were doing
Last expansion, yes. Shaman was still in the dumpster.
Seems like only holy priest. And the silence of shaman is the shortest of all specs in the game after an interrupt.
Ha you found something. Well done.
Disc is doing ~50% more.
Yeah because a timed real defensive on the tank is not betterā¦ We had those tools also since forever and somehow resto shaman was dumpster level.
Sounds like you do not want to understand statistics. Or do not want to see them, looking at hps and dps. And thinking 21 runs of 6 top teams says everything.
Somehow now we understand it. No other spec than resto shaman can heal a +4. Thank you for explaining.
Iv checked the profiles of the people posting here and none of yaāll are doing 12s, many of you are barely doing 3s (including the OP)
Why are you complaining about whatās going on in +10s? Go enjoy the game at your level 
I pugged to KS master as a Mistweaver and it was fine.
Exceptions dont make the rule. And 5% DR on tank is always a benefit, regardless of spec.
I am still perplexed. We had all that in DF. Why werenāt we meta ? Not just RShaman, but Ele and Enh ā¦ But let me go 1 by 1 ā¦
That Ele and Enh also have. Plus melees exist too. Warriors get a 14s kick, we get a 12. If im not mitaken rogues get a 13s. Its not that big of a deal, especially when there is no mob less than 15s cast CD.
Two actually. But stuns dont work like DF anymore. They are significantly worse.
Essentially, in DF 1 AoE stun and you silence the whole pack. Chain a bunch of those, and you can sit 40s to 1m with nobody casting anything. In WW, stuns dont count as kicks. So they instantly start casting again. At best you can shut down mobs for 4s.
Its not that big of deal. Warriors, druids, Evokers (to name a few) have it too.
Not a deal. Mages got it too. This is only relevant if you are the only one with it. But its super easy to replace with a DD.
The self ress is not that OP as you might think. I prefer a BoP actually. Has less CD, and depending on where you die you cant use it. If you do you instantly die again.
I digress. PEvokers pump out more. And HPalas are not far behind. I have seen them pump out more than me.
So what you are saying is nerf performance.
You want to give us the treatment they gave HPala in S2. Where after 70 performance nerfs it was STILL metaā¦ because of utility. And after a given threshold of being unplayable, and trash tierā¦ it stayed like that for 3 seasons in a row.
Or the Priest row. Simply get their iconic CDs (MD) and gut them to the ground. Even though Bursting dosent exist anymore.
I simply disagree with all thisā¦ Sorryā¦
It can be done. By tweeking the dungeons not the classes. RShamans always had this utility. Always had the power (compared to other healers)ā¦ the only thing that changed was the dungeon pool.
Start changes there. I have at-least 3 posts here explaining my proposals.
I never said it was right. I just refuse to go the HPal road it had in DF after S2ā¦ Its not the solution, and it simply busts my game-play.
And in addition, I also donāt want my spec to be ignored for another expansion. Again. So I donāt want that either.
Let me remind you that Paladin got 2 major re-works and 4 mini-reworks in DF. Shamans gotā¦ ONEā¦ 3 weeks before WWā¦
So if you are suggesting RShaman goes back to the spot it was in DF (Z trash tier for 1 whole expansion) then I disagree. I prefer to be OP for an expansion as compensation.
SOā¦ change dungeon mechanics to make other healerās utility more valuable. And rework the specs that need it cause they are not fun to play (Priest).
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Because almost nobody is inviting holy priest to their keys and people donāt join my key? Iām pretty much stuck due to it on my priest.
That is not it.
I did a 7 to chill today. With the alt of a buddy. Dudu, lock, DK, DH tank and me.
It was the tankās key (he was a random). He had 1800 Rio.
And in 3 min we were full. With 3 DDs that had 2500 rio, who were farming crests, or hero gear, or whatever.
So we were a party of 4, 2400+ rio peopleā¦ for a 7ā¦ and there were at-least 20 of those on quew for the key. Evidently we 3 chested the thing and still had like 5 min to spare. But its absurd you got those people quewing for low keys.
THAT is what is happening.