Your bullcrap is tiresome. Get some real arguments instead of bait.
You put too much trust in Anduin. The boy Priest Prince is no Varian Wrynn. Forget past glories the line of Wrynn has weakened.
His extended stay in the Maw would have advers effects.
He might even convince the dead to send back an Orc leader.
The Alliance tried that after the first Horde defeat. Some was a bit overzealous but eventually the broke out went to Kalimdor and reformed.
It is a shame that Alliance are just reacting to the Horde instead of taking proactive measures to keep them in check as and when they have to be.
But there are a lot of talks of restoration of Night Elf and Gilnean territories. While Lordaeron is lost forever. It could be interesting to see how things move forward.
Crazy blood Elves are nothing new.
Itâs odd that despite being magic junkies. Some of you turned to the void for your next high/fix. But a Windrunner took in these refugees.
Imprisoning mages can be trickier since they can pop up anywhere.
We havenât forgot our territory, for some reason Zoram Gar still stands in the coasts of Ashenvale and others such as Hellscreamâs watch and Warsong lumber camp. I tought we had regained full controul of Ashenvale at the end of the war.
you should know by now that alliance victories are only told in novels no one buys 
horde victories are shown
They shot down aggressive ships who tried to hunt down the heir to the kingdom. That is justification enough.
You donât parley with people who hold you at gunpoint.
Yes. Kargath, Kilrogg, Blackhand, Nerâzhul, Doomhammer, Gulâdan, Zulâjin, Volâjin, Cairne, Garrosh, Fenris, Tagar, Teron, Blackhandâs Kids, Zaela, Rastakhan, Sylvanas, Gallywix, Nazgrim, Kaelâthas and many others are gone. Meanwhile the only real alliance casualty was Varian. All the sons of Lothar are alive.
There was still a Horde army by the time Saurfang died. Yet they laid their weapons down instead of trying to get Jaina. The Horde betrayed their allies in their darkest hour.
See aboveâŚNot gonna explain twice.
No. Because itâs the truth. Good things only happen to the alliance because the writers simp for them.
Making Pandaren playable was a mistake.
They did. You are just ignorant.
Allies. It counts.
Saurfang is on the same level as Baine and Thrall. He only exists to stab his own faction im the back.
Llane Wrynn, Varian Wrynn, Lothar, Bolvar, Tirion Fordring, Daelin Proudmore, King Therenas, Arthas Menethil, Uther Lightbringer, Rhonin, Liam Greymane, Admiral Taylor, Maraad, Garithos, Fandral Staghelm, Cordana Felsong, Cenarius, Delaryn Summermoon.
Should i go on?
Malfurion is gone. A good time to celebrate.
Silence ignorant, Shanâdo Malfurion will come back for us, i know he will.
Sylvanas will return together with Nathanos and claim all of Kalimdor for the Horde.
Selective memory then? Law and order exerting authority. A fleet followed a prisoner escape while Horde arsonists and vandals created a problem in order to mask the escape. Zandalari fleets fired unprovoked. Terminating any chance of a diplomatic solution.
The Alliance is not responsible for most of the Horde dead that you mentioned. Trade Prince Gallywix is not actually dead. He just abandoned leadership of the Bilgewater Cartel so is still at large somewhere.
The infamous undead Sylvanas is still in the Maw. Some how being granted access to Alliance dead, despite her Scourge like actions. This legacy of Arthas should be kept tabs on.
Rastakhan has nothing to do with the Horde. The Zandalari ONLY joined the Horde under his daughter Talanjiâs rule. So this has nothing to do with the Horde. Just as there are neutral humans that have nothing to do with the Alliance. For example Calia Menethil who was murdered by Sylvanas. The Alliance took no action or retaliation for her murder.
Now that Calia Menethil has joined in Undeath the Forsaken. Now she has force the hands of the Alliance.
Not all trolls are part the Horde. Like the Gurubashi Drakkari Amani. The Zandalari when strong was once antagonist and seperate superpower. Now at a time of weakness they latch on to the Horde.
Nazgrim was just a general not a leader. Kaelâthas followed his own path and met his own fate at the hands of the Burning Legion. Caring nothing for his people. Zaela of the Dragonmaw. Hmm there was skirmishes between them and the Wildhammer Dwarf clan. But she followed Garrosh Hellscream and died for it.
Offspring of Black Hand. Griselda was killed by Black Handâs soldiers. Why should Alliance care when Orcs kill Orcs?
Rend and Maim met their fate, internal Horde conflicts.
Fenris is of the Thunderlord clan. They have no affiliation with the Horde. Tagar and Teron are followers of the old Horde I think prior to entrance to Aseroth.
Nerzhul? The Alliance is not responsible for the actions of the Burning Legion.
Anduin Lothar was killed by Orgrim Doomhammer. The Sons of Lothar has that name but not his actual offspring.
Callan Lothar was part of the WoW movie not the game. So not sure if he is canon. But yes he was killed by and Orc.
There is no war where nobody dies. It is a shame that we could not see Liam Greymane again.
But perhaps through Druidism. The Alliance can forge ways to protect Alliance dead from the Horde. If not the Horde would do to others what they done to Derek Proudmoore.
Talanji is a filthy traitor who will soon be desposed. The diplomatic way died the minute she was thrown in jail. The alliance is fully responsible for any damage the Horde suffered in Bfa. And until the people who gave the order arenât dead this war will never be over. Stop talking crap.
The forsaken have lost their Valâkyr and they arenât raising anyone, soon those disgusting monsters will go extinct.
Trade Prince Gallywix is not dead. Are Horde going to claim revenge for one of their race leaders that is still alive?
Some Horde demonstrate that they can actually be reasonable.
As for your example of Nerzhul. Take that up with Khijadden and the remnants of the Burning Legion.
The Draenai and Lightforged Draenai are indeed affiliated with the Alliance. But the Eredar those that followed Khiljadden and Archimonde are not.
There was at the time internal conflicts among the Zandalari. Those loyal to their Royalty vs Prophet Zhul faction. So when dealing with diplomacy it is best to know who held the reigns of power. Holding them in custody would keep them safe until solutions can be found. But Horde interference prevented diplomatic solutions.
Rhastakhan could still be alive. But hey that is the past.
The Battle for Azeroth is simply another war that was started by the Horde. Alliance leadership often reacts to the Horde. But the slaughter of the Night Elves, including burning children alive in their own Homes. Forced the hand of otherwise apathetic Alliance leadership.
It is not the first time Horde slaughtered children and those that canât defend themselves against the Horde. Outland still has the bones of the Draenai dead, Draenai children were used to open their path to Azeroth.
Horde could not expect no reprisal for this. Even the old Orc Saurfang understood this. Thinking the existing Horde will return to their past.
It is not talking crap. There exists a peace treaty among the current Horde leadership. So talk to your leaders like Baine Bloodhoof. But cautious Alliance eyes would be vigilant should once again Horde break the peace.
Tyrande does not seem convinced. But time is needed to rebuild regrow and heal. War is costly.
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We get it. You want alliance supremacy in the lore. But I will reject this notion. Every alliance leader who was responsible for the attack on Zandalar needs to die. Then we raze Stormwind and Ironforge and make sure the alliance scum can never raise arms against us. Funny you mention Baine. He is the biggest traitor in the history of racial leaders. No other has ever exiled his own people for daring to defend themselves against an ongoing invasion. This will forever be a black stain on his reputation. Once he is removed from power the war can continue.
Go find your own planet. Alien invaders!
That is too optimistic.
Thomas Zelling was the tidesage that chose Undeath, the first thing he done was to almost kill the family that he wanted to protect in life, but was later murdered by Sylvanas for assisting Baine Bloodhoof peace efforts.
With access to the shadowlands and the helm of domination broken. (lets forget all about what they reforged it into). There are a lot more Valâkyr in their employ.
Then there is Calia Menethil. This so called light raised undead. Point is that the ironic will to survive by these Undead is very strong and should not be underestimated.
Gilnean humans in Silverpine Forest chose the curse of the Worgen because they knew that Horde will murder them and force them into Undeath.
Terminating the remaining Valâkyr especially should they seek refuge among the Forsaken or be captured by the Forsaken. Could be in violation of the peace treaty with the Horde. Considering that the Forsaken faction can not reproduce, so Scourge like tactics is the only way they can maintain their power and presence.
Making sure they are unable is what matters for the time being. Safeguarding the souls of the deceased. Liam Greyman was cremated upon death and they made sure to protect his soul from the Forsaken.
This is after my worgen character was forced to help the horde get back Undercity. SoâŚ.
Itâs all fun and games until a nuke is dropped in your home.
