Allerian stronghold?

The Hinterlands used to be the Heartland of the Amani Empire. No other region in Azeroth has this many Forest Troll settlement. So it would make sense that the Horde helps them to get rid of the Dwarfs.

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You forgot Quel’thalas :smile:

After all, we built silvermoon on top of sacred Amani land.

So why should we blame the dwarves when we did the same. Double standards?

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The high elves are alliance. They remain our enemy until they are all dead. Especially Vereesa. I will make her death slow.

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Well of course. Any alliance is horde enemy.

For the Horde!

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Passions run high during wartime, but it’s usually much more reserved from the homeland side (outside deserters i suppose), where unless they give vital information or join the war effort they’re much more likely to face dangers from the people around them than their homeland.

That’S actually what separates most HEs and VEs i’d imagine, where former are mostly minding their own business the latter play a role of violent rebels, while also comitting gimmick infringement upon all Shadow Priests that ever existed.

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This case goes much farther back into Thalassian history. High Elves were never that much of a unitary race. I mean most of them were around from 90 to 95% preferred very hermetic, very isolationist way of life away from all other races and struggles of the world beyond Quel’thalas.

Only few of the original High Elven numbers displayed desire to venture beyond their Kingdom and see the world. Absolute most of them lived in Dalaran. But as Warcraft Chronicle Vol. 3 beautifully describes, those Elves were considered freaks among their kin.

For a standard High Elf from Quel’thalas living beyond the High Kingdom was something unthinkable. Something beyond belief. Especially if it involved living among lesser races like Humans. Any Elf that did so was frowned upon back home. It shows how easy was for the High Elves from Quel’thalas to shun those that stepped out of the line.

Kael’thas was the best case described in the Chronicle. To a regular High Elf from the Kingdom, he was a ghost Prince, an empty name, a hollow heir to the throne. All knew that there was someone like him out there somewhere, but few have seen him, even fewer knew him. They were so used to Anasterian to the point no one even considered that one day he might be gone.

Anasterian himself was concerned about his son’s “tastes” and flamboyant life at Dalaran. In his coin that we can fish out from Dalaran fountain it is written that King hopes his son will eventually come around and return home.

After Quel’thalas fell and Kael’thas returned he was greeted with less than happy gazes of his people. He saw their dissapointment and distain toward him. It weighed down on him greatly, to the point of depression. Situation became even more unpleasant when the first thing he did was to gather an army and venture into distant land, away from Quel’thalas.

The newly named Blood Elves were so dedicated to their land that even the rumors of a Promised Land in Outland prepared by the Prince meant little to them and only few pilgrims made their way out, only to be even more dissapointed and disillusioned.

I guess that majority of the Sunfury force was made of the Elves that Kael’thas picked from Dalaran and maybe few of the survivors from Quel’thalas. Considering how pilgrims were treated when they reached Kael’s forces in Netherstorm this might be true. Even Magisters were treated like cheap labor.

And then we had Lor’themar Theron. Second in Command to Sylvanas Windrunner. In Sunwell trilogy he was described as an Elf widely known among his people, everyone recognised the proud Ranger on mere sight. He was generaly a very likeable person among High Elves.

Very dedicated to his people. When Sylvanas went to sign the plaque under Alleria’s statue in Stormwind and enjoy the victory festivities, he remained in his Homeland protecting his people. He was very wary of Half-Elves and had a very cold attitude toward them. This was shown when he first met Kalecgos in his humanoid form and told him to shut up as “Half Blood has not right to demand anything of him”.

He wasn’t very keen on dealing with humans either as he abhored Nathanos with passion. From the short story “In the Shadow of the Sun” even Halduron displayed distaste about him as both he and Lor’themar were stirctly against teaching humans the ways of the Rangers. But Sylvanas pulled her family strings to overrule them claiming that “Since they already taught humans how to use magic there was no point in denying them other ways.”

Lor’themar is a model figure for then High Elves and now Blood Elves. He has everything Anasterian wanted for Kael’thas to have.

But the schism itself predates even the Third War. By two decades actually. As first batch of renegades and self imposed exiles came to be when Anasterian declared secession from the Alliance and ordered all his subjects to return home. Some High Elves ignored their King’s words and remained with their newfound friends. The source is World of Warcraft Visual Guide from 2015.

I guess those are the Elves in the ranks of the Human campaign from Warcraft 3, aside from those few Priests that came to examine the plague.

Auric Sunchaser and his lot are lost Rangers that fought for their homeland in the ranks of the Alliance. They struck friendships there, they bled together, shared struggles together. But deep down in their hearts it was for the safety of Quel’thalas.

When they discovered what has transpired when way to Azeroth opened once again they just decided to remain where they are. Lost to their Kingdom, and still considered dead to the people living in it.

Auric Sunchaser is stuck in a moral limbo. He is dead to his people but he lives. He cares for the Quel’thalas but values the Alliance. He wishes for Elves tto unite once again, but is powerless to do so.

He lacks the balls, the bones and the spine to do what other High Elf, deeply inbedded within the Alliance has done. His name is Mehlar Dawnblade, formerly Paladin of the Silver Hand. Student of Uther the Lightbringer, Senpai of Arthas. He who had even stronger reason to remain within the Alliance than Vereesa ever had. He chose to stand with his people. Become a Blood Elf and a Blood Knight in extention.

So not all Alliance loving High Elves chose exile. Some had the heart right where it needed to be.

Even the High Elves that loved living outside chose to be Blood Elves. Aethas Sunreaver and his lot are loyal to Silvermoon. Even though they prefer to represent it outside of it’s borders, they still do answer the call when their homeland needs them.

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They most likely are still in Outland. There was one high elf who said that Outland is her only home left and she will never return to Azeroth as she does not want to see the horrors that happened to her people. I’m guessing they are like I said still there. Apart from one that joined the Unseen Path in Legion.

That doesn’t make a lot of sense as a justification from the High Elves of Allerian Stronghold though…despite the Scourge is not present in Outland, Outland is way more ugly and dangerous place than Quel’thalas or even Azeroth as a whole (even if the Legion was defeated I’m sure quite a lot of demons are still around there), not to mention Outland is slowly disintegrating in the Nether so they will have to return to Azeroth eventually, and choose to live either with the Alliance among the Void Elves or the Blood Elves in the Horde…

(and this is valid for those Blood Elves Scryers who are still living in Shattrath City and sooner or later should return to Quel’thalas as well, I’m not sure if Voren’thal the Seer will still be alive after the timeskip though as he was quite old and ill in TBC already)

High Elves in general as stated in Wowpedia are outcasts in every measure of that word. Meaning the did not fit into Thalassian society. And are described as bunch of individuals chasing their own agendas, goals, expressing different beliefs and values.

They do not form a collective group within the Alliance because they didn’t find themselves out there on common ground. They do not share any form of comradery. Since they didn’t fit into society full of Elves within their own damn Homeland how could they do so within the Alliance.

Suddenly finding a shared point of view? A bunch of rejects? Silver Covenant is an anomaly. These are the High Elves greatly anti Blood Elf in their mindset. They do have a common goal.

Sylvanas book gives a glimpse on what might have caused their distain to their own kin. After Second War ended and many Elves died during the invasion of Quel’thalas. Some Farstriders became disillusioned with the apathetic stance of Anasterian and his peers. They wanted revenge on Orcs and have seen Thalassian government as something that will sooner or later doom their Kingdom.

Partially they were right. And when Third War happened, Quel’thalas fell and new regime took place. Although it was not much to the liking Vereesa and her goons. A lot of this is because she has a personal feud with Lor’themar whom she views as little to no improvement from old regime.

So they sit and fester their hatred toward everything they are. Auric and his bunch of mistfits sit in a moral limbo. Well they are irrelevant. Throughout the book we are time and time again showed how Thalassian society functions.

Absolute most of the High Elves living inside the kingdom do not give a crap about outside world. It just doesn’t interest them in any way shape or form. Esara Verrinde, a magistrix and seeker of wisdom for the order, who became champion for Mage class in Legion even expressed that it is most unfortunate that most of the Sin’dorei do not even think about venturing forth and see the rest of the world.

She was specificly appointed for this task because Rommath found it as relief for her atypical fascination with Azeroth. So she was tasked to seek knowledge for the Magisterium.

So this is the major issue on why High Elves and Blood Elves do not see eye to eye. Blood Elves are interested only in Quel’thalas and High Elves are interested in everything except Quel’thalas.

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because wow lore is lol

It is true that WoW’s lore is as consistent as the product of a violent diarrhea, and it changed back and forth on the fly as the game progressed with TBC being the most turbulent period for it.

It also became victim of game’s quest design which even back then was horrendous. Big wall of text that no one bothered to read and only got interested in the quest requirements.

The fact this giant TL DR didn’t harm the game at all as it continued to grow made Blizzard bold in their realization that no matter what they will throw at us story wise, people will still eat it all and even thank them for it.

Most of the logical lore took place outside of the game itself, in forms of books, dedicated to those who were willing to read them. Most of the people in the game do not even care about it.

They could have a big training dummy as a raid boss and still do it weekly for the sweet, sweet loot. General awerness of the Story increased only when the Lore got really bad, and I mean REALLY bad.

During the times of BfA and SL. Maybe from this major screw up, Blizzard will cook something better and people will this time pay attention.

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Alleria needs to die.

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