Allerian stronghold?

To be fair the Sons of Lothar are pretty much the most stereotypical fantasy group of the entire franchise xD

I’d attribute it more down to her being sassy… She seemed better informed about the contemporary happenings than we were…

But you’d have thought that she’d have more hatred towards these elves.

Considering it was the Horde who killed Lady Vashj (Blood Elves likely involved.)
The Blood Elves’ ancestors betrayed Azshara and established and continue to live in one of the most powerful nations of the Eastern Kingdoms - their society is based on the back of what she used to have.
A remnant of her former fount is now combined with arcane light magic.

TBC lore was a mess, especially for the Blelves, who have turned against KT about 9 levels, before they even found out about the Legion thing…

Something she may seek to take advantage of

Just exterminate the Dreanei to avenge it being tainted by Naaru essence and then find a way to remedy it :rofl:

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If she wanted anything from Quel’Thalas, I’m almost certain she would have done something by now.

Her forces attacked the Tomb of Sargeras to claim the Tidestone, which is close to the Shal’dorei nation, but again - no conflict between Nightborne and Naga and that is one scenario that I would have loved to have seen.
Highborne of Suramar vs Highborne of Zin-Azshari.

Only recently has she become independent from N’zoth and trying to invoke the sense of the “Good ol’days” and promise of reclaiming fromer glories would take a while to prepare for. Could be an interesting plot, for the long haul and offer an alternative to the carebears brigade.

Another point yesterday I realized, Archmage Vargoth only talked about the attacking troops of Kirin’var are Thousands. He did not say, that Kael’thas brought his whole army on the attack. So we do not know how much of the thousands that attacked are the percentage of his total army. Theorethically so Quel’thalas could have before Arthas maybe even a million of citizens.
Then the other point, we do not know how much of the Void elves there are unless there is some source saying there are more Quel’dorei/Ren’dorei then Ren’dorei/Quel’dorei. And unless Blizzard gives a number of gnomeregan survivors we can only speculate about elf numbers like inteligent live in the galaxy. But to your original question.

Because there is nothing left of them beside what you already said here:

Just like Nazgrel who whas established as the leader of the Kor’kron but then left for Outland except a one time appearence during prestige gratulation.
Blizzard just failed and left to forgotten to expand already established characters. It is a wonder they remembered Rokhan and Rexxar during BfA.
But as an example, did you know Vol’jin had wife and children? Just found out short ago thanks to the forum.

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Yes I know. And whoever the eldest child is he or she should have been the leader of the Darkspear. Not that old sellout idiot Rokhan. He is a disgrace to all troll kind.

Master Gadrin would have been cool too as Darkspear leader, and familiar to all Troll players and fans as a character for being wise and experienced and you meet him almost immediately…but Rokhan is younger and more powerful so you should be happy that Blizzard chose Rokhan (who is stronger than Vol’jin’s sons too)…so for once they listened to you for choosing the most powerful of all Darkspears who was still alive :sweat_smile:

or they could have picked Zappy Boy, too…that would have been hilarious…trolls fans love him after all :joy:

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Rokhan is by no means the most powerful. Also he is not the rightful heir, Vol’jin had a wife and kids in the lore. That should be taken into consideration when we debate the leadership of that tribe.

Then who is the most powerful Darkspear lore character currently alive? The sons of Vol’jin seem normal trolls…Yenniku was mind-controlled and needed to be rescued…

Yes but as far as I can understand about Troll tribes politics (very little, but still I can try :sweat_smile: ), they are not a monarchy, and I’m not sure if the family of Vol’jin always ruled them even before Sen’jin, but it’s pointless anyway if the Darkspear people like and want someone else anyway…

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Have you not heard the news from Shadowlands? Vol’jin is about to return. He might decide the future of the trolls as a race. Destiny is big for him.

the system of the tribe is hereditary. After Sen’jin came Vol’jin. I see no reason why the Darkspear should break with a tradition that had served them well so far.

i just remembered Auric was mentioned in the new Sylvanas Novel, or at least someone mentioned that he was. But if they dont end up chatting i honestly dont care, it was just something that came up to my mind while visiting the Allerian stronghold which was why i made the thread. curiosity is amazing at times

His friendship to Alleria shouldnt be forgotten like that in my opinion. but oh well what can you do. I would love it if he actually joins the Ren’dorei that will be a fabulous ending to Auric’s story, and at the same time boosts Void elf numbers.

i actually didnt know that :smile:

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Maybe Auric shouldn’t join the Void Elves, at a point during the Quel’Delar questline he was considered as a “bridge” (connection) for a possible story about a future reunification of the Sin’dorei and the Quel’dorei (he called all of them “children of Silvermoon”) , so maybe Blizzard want to keep him to a more neutral stance than the one of Alleria and Umbric if Blizzard still recall that storyline and want to make it a reality in the future.

Or they could just make Talthressar return, since he literally built Allerian Stronghold, and claimed he did it in order to avenge the attack of the orcish Horde against Quel’thalas by claiming on a portion of the last great remaining forest in Outland, more than just being a simple town symbol of the humans, dwarves and elves working together in the Alliance… so if Talthressar is still alive, he could actually be an interesting High Elf character, maybe with some Blood Elf qualities in his behaviour too…but if he is alive and doesn’t return, he’s just another High Elf who inexplicably faded into irrilevance in the story (mainly because of “Human Potential” I guess) :expressionless:

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To understand Auric Sunchaser and the tragedy of his character we must first comprehend how messed up his situation is.

Guy was second in command of Thalassian forces led by Alleria Windrunner in joint Alliance expedition to original Draenor.

Like her he was a Farstrider. Originally a sub group of Rangers tasked with journeying beyond Silvermoon and eliminate external threats before they become an issue to the city.

That was in the early days of Thalassian culture and their first struggles against Amani. Back then High Elves were confined to their city alone while the vast Kingdom we see it today was not yet established.

We can learn from it by reading Tales of the Hunt. Story from a book of Hunter order hall about Thas’dorah.

Which means that in the beginning Farstriders were Rangers venturing beyond. Dealing with the enemy without.

But as the current borders of Quel’thalas were established Farstriders eventually became internal group of Rangers.

Alleria was always drawn to this ancient iteration of Farstriders. Auric seem to have been aswell. The issue is those first Farstriders whom the greatest among them was Talanas Windrunner and progenitor of the family were sworn to defend their Homeland.

He swore that for as long as Thas’dorah defends Silvermoon, the city shall not fall. Which is why Sylvanas Gabe the bow to Alleria in order for it to instill fear in Orcs far beyond the High Kingdom.

Due to known events Auric Sunchaser was walled off from his homeland. When connection was re-established he and the Elves he led found themselves in new reality.

At one hand they still owed fealty to Quel’thalas and were charged with protecting it. On the other hand the faction they served in the Alliance, which they have been part of for two decades as was their homeland at some point suddenly found itself on its he opposite side of conflict.

He fought and bled for the Alliance. Made friends among it’s various races. To him fight for the Alliance was an extension of fighting for Quel’thalas.

So when grim discovery was made that Blood Elves are now part of the Horde and at odds with few remaining Alliance High Elves he decided to mediate between two groups.

He is still bound to protect his homeland and more or less shows it. His lack involvement in any conflicts displays his lack of will to kill his own people no matter what side they stand on.

He is a total opposite of Umbric. Not just by names. Umbra - shadow. Aura - luminous multicoloured radiation.

But also in action. Both claim that they serve Quel’thalas. But where as Umbric fights his people to save his people or so he thinks in his warped mind.

Auric and possibly every Elf in Allerian Stronghold does not fight and desperately tries to find common ground.

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Nice find about the names Auric / Umbric, I never noticed it but I think you are correct, the correlation about the opposition “Light-shadow” of the meaning of their names (and the clear difference between their behaviours as characters about what they think of the politics of Quel’thalas and the Blood Elves now) exists very clearly now that I think about it. Hopefully then there will be more dialogues and relations between these two characters in the future, maybe both trying to bring Alleria closer to their own side and point of view about Quel’thalas and the Sin’dorei rather than the other one of their counterpart.

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i think that was the whole point of the thread, A conversation betwen Auric and Alleria would be nice, they were friends after all. And clearly he must have respected her greatly to name the Stronghold “Allerian”.

A neutral High elf wouldnt be too crazy as there is the Kirin tor, who has many High elves as well.

But Auric is a bit of a tricky situation as in TBC he attacked any horde player and im happy to see where he stands today, which will show once he has that conversation with Alleria.

As for Alleria’s view on blood elves, i dont think she has any racial hate towards them. after all, there are Blood elves in Telogrus rift that Alleria happily invited over. “Silvermoon Scholars” i believe they are called. She mainly has a problem with the faction they follow, and after almost prisoning her for accidently ruining the sunwell, she never looked back.

By the way this is Azsharia

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I believe that when Blizzard decides to address the issue of the current state of Thalassian people and move it to another stage, Auric Sunchaser shall play some role in it.

Chance for that to happen most likely might take place post Dragonflight. When people expect for another Cataclysm like expansion to take place.

Auric took upon himself an ungrateful role of a peacemaker between salty High Elves, in case of some of them very very salty like Vereesa and completely apathetic Blood Elves that have better things to do than to be bothered by some pesky nuisances that at best can not interfere with their rebuilding process.

When time comes to decide whether remaining High Elves shall finally overcome their complexes and return home or be damned forever by the ever welcoming touch of the void is still ahead of us. Though I believe it will happen eventually.

Auric Sunchaser is like this embodiment of reasonable High Elf who at some point shall make his choice and those follow him shall do the same.

No matter what choice it will be, we can expect an explosive reaction from the player base.

to be fair not all High elves are salty. Its easy to see it that way from a Blood elf perspective, but some High elves have a good reasoning for remaining with the Alliance and it doesnt have to do with Blood elf hatred like the Silver covenant, as not all High elves are silver covenant.

for example the High elves of Highvale (Hinterlands) remained within the Alliance due their friendship with the Wildhammer, and rivalry with the Forsaken, Revantusk, and Vilebranch. They have also abandoned all magic, remaining with warrior/ranger like abilities similar to that of the Night elves pre cataclysm. After cataclysm tho Night elves welcomed the Highborne mages into their society giving them the mage class.

Vyrin Swiftwind (from farstriders lodge) remained within the Alliance due to old friendships with the dwarves of the area, also being against the fel issue that happened at the time of Warcraft 3 to Burning Crusade. she even broke up with her husband who decided to go the Blood elf road. She doesnt hate the blood elves by any means, she was very sad for her husband’s death. But she chose the alliance for political reasons and old friendships with the dwarves of Loch Modan.

Elsharin, is a mage trainer located in Stormwind. She trains new mages from the time of Vanilla to Shadowlands. She can be seen in the portal room training a new group of mages (Draenei, void elf, Gnome, and worgen). Stormwind was always friendly of High elves and even have a statue of Alleria in the valley of Heroes, unlike Lordaeron who were racist under Garithos.

Elsharin is not the only High elf who took refuge in Stormwind, eventually calling it home. 3 more High elves can be spotted in the city.

2 High elf sorceress can be found within Stormwind’s mage quarter giving a tour to the new Void elves.

Caledra Dawnbreeze is another High elf who is found within Stormwind. She is regarded as one of the best trackers in Stormwind and can view invisible horde sneaking around. She probably got to Stormwind as a refugee after the third war and settled there, as she can be found in Stormwind since the beggining of wow 2004, before the introduction of Blood elves as a playable race.

Vereesa is a bit of a complex sitution. her brother and 17 of her family members were killed by Orcs. Her husband died in the bombing of Theramore. Her children were kidnapped by her crazy blood elf cousin. all of that slowly built up her hatred towards the Blood elves, not that what she did in Dalaran was right, it was clearly wrong on her part. But i guess she has the windrunner craziness that runs in the family. When Lirath died Alleria went crazy mad and wanted to genocide the orcs, just to give an example.

my point is in all of this, dont view all High elves as salty. thats just a salty view looking at it from a Blood elf perspective. Not all high elves are the silver covenant.

and even if a few High elves do choose the Alliance, will it really affect Blood elves in any way? after all Blood elves are the majority in numbers. why should we care.

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Generally speaking the High Elves we see abroad are those, who were abroad during the sacking of Quel’thalas and then refused to answer Prince Kael’thas’s summons. The ones, who rejected Rommath’s Fel escapades stuck around Quel’lithen lodge and either died or succumbed to their addiction.

As far as Vereesa goes it always seems that the writers want her to do something and then go through breakneck loops to try explaining it away. (Far from the only Windrunner, with that problem…) Leaving her in a very wierd spot…

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For some Blood Elves players (like Erevien and me too, before the Void Elves were introduced at least, as the Voids have taken the “spotlight” now in the Alliance anyway), the High Elves were considered all traitors toward Silvermoon regardless of their Silver Covenant affiliation or not. Some others just wanted the High Elves gone in order for them not to become playable in the Alliance, making the race sorta “neutral” like the Pandaren (which sort of happened with the Void Elves anyway :sweat_smile: )

This is realistic and usually happens in real life too, it’s just common human tribal behaviour about politics. For example a russian person who now lives alongside the ukrainians helping them (even without fighting with them directly) in Ukraine, he or she is considered a traitor of the motherland by Moscow. Same for the High Elves who chose the the Alliance over Silvermoon (especially during a faction war that made Humans and Blood Elves in direct opposition).

It’s just that simple. But I personally dropped my dislike toward the High Elves a lot since Void Elves were introduced and made playable at least :stuck_out_tongue:

Even if they are all rangers and are less dependant from arcane magic for that reason, it’s unrealistic that they all completely dropped magic like that…and they could do it only after the Sunwell was restored, in my opinion. Otherwise logically I cannot really explain how they could deal with their own magical addiction without feeding on arcane magic at all (a common problem among the High Elves survivors outside of Dalaran actually), because nature magic or the Light alone are certainly not enough to sate the addiction.

Also I think the Forsaken could have likely used the plague against that lodge and possibly against Aerie Peak, too, if they really wanted, like they did with Gilneas and Southshore. That didn’t happen so it’s weird, I think Lor’themar dissuaded Sylvanas to use the blight against Quel’Danil lodge at the very least. Not only because it’s supposed to be Revantusk/Forest Trolls territory but also because they were former comrades and soldiers of Silvermoon after all.

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