Is there a reason why the alliance team defend Balinda and the SH LTs every single game?
You would think that fast 7minute games are the best honor per hour win/lose because let’s be real, we’re all trying to just get r14 asap. I can even accept if they want to wipe us just 1 time to get some “bonus honor”.
Nope. Instead we get 30-50min turtle games because alliance want to camp the road at icewing bunker or defend SH LT with 10 people instead of trying to get their own 7min win. Sure it looks cool to get 7k honor from a 30min game I guess but you can get x4 7min runs from that which results in almost twice the honor.
Is there actually a real reason for this? Are the queues bad for alliance? I would no-troll want to know so I can stop getting triggered by 1hr games at 5am because ally want to get 100hks instead of finishing the game.
inb4 just ghost run to aid station lmao
inb4 AV is pvp stop playing if you get mad
thnx and bye
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I tested multiple times and defending Balinda yields higher honor per hour for me, compared to running to the south. So those are experienced classic players, who want to improve their farming efficiency.
Actually the best honor per hour is farming kills in the mid while others make a 7 min game happen.
The problem is, if more than a few people do it, and go straight at Belinda group and not for stragglers on the field, it cascades out of control.
Basically 5 alliance go kill horde and hope to be carried (/spit, may every step they take lands on a lego), they kill 5 horde, who res at IB and think “screw you alliance scum” and go defend TP choke, they kill 10 alliance who res at SH and think “idiot horde defenders, why they always do this” and go farm kills, not realizing it was their teammates who created the defenders to begin with. Then the 10-15 people who actually arrive at boss may wipe to an interference of as little as one rog blinding a puller mid-pul and then retaking aid/hut and boom - you are in a 30min+ tortuga because of 5 greedy idiots.
I just hope the next week at AV weekend people stick to the 7 min strat. Then I don’t have to enter a BG ever again, thank Elune.
Bro hordes does the same.
Been in games when they def galv or iceblood graveyard.
Yesterday the whole horde team were in tge middle controlling it and not letting alliance players to the south.
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As mention its the best honor gain if a few block it of for the other part but it also meens 2/3 need to do it right.
Now people know this and when they see some break of they folow to gain that extra and it all falls apart.
The solution is to put in what we get in a later expantion and its recourses in AV and therefor you wont be stuck.
The opponent using a different legitimate tactic is not griefing guys… x)
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Exactly, I also had that thought. Obviously it’s better if you manage to stay mid and get HKs while your team carries you.
Like you said it becomes a problem when more than 3-5 players do it. Of course I also blame the the Horde team since we KNOW that alliance are gonna wipe our kiters yet we NEVER defend them. 90% of horde just afk rush into balinda room like a hivemind. so many games now I’ve had to kite randolph as a warrior just to get killed by a paly+rogue combo without anyone defending me…
Then after 10 games when you get frustrated and complain the the BG chat you legit get mass reported and suspended on false charges LOL…
Bro … yeah, from time to time horde do it. That’s true. But for those who plays on both sides, we all know that allies love to turtle. And it make me wonder, what make you guys think that less than 10K honor per hour is a good investment of time. Some of us actually have work/studies/families, and cannot spend 50+ hours in AV per week xD
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Dude I made it a habit to go after Doordash in IB tower every game, and about 3/4 of the games there is a rog, hunter or multiple people defending him. Obviously even solo defender can wipe me with 3 arches shooting me for 3x300 per shot on top of his actions. Anyway my point is I keep begging people to cover me instead of being 26th person to auto autoattack Galv, but rarely does anybody come. Then I get full rogue opener on me as soon as I hit Doordash, lose him in iceblock, then die to archers anyway. Then the chat goes “gg nobody pulled doordash”.
Anyway I don’t know what my point was, but thanks for coming to my TED talk.
I explained above, it’s greed combined with tragedy of the commons. Nobody actually likes turtles, except maybe couple contrarians who do it to troll the main raid. It’s just there is enough “smart” guys who think they can be that last person who can still get away with farming horde mid while his raid kills all lts and horde still manages to finish at 7 min. Except obviously he’s not, it’s half the raid doing it and the game inevitably becomes a turtle without anybody really wishing it to.
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The thing is, if you have work/studies etc you legit don’t want long turtles games. You want fast 7min games win or lose. and no1 here says that “less than 10k per hour is a good investement” quite the contrary. Less than 10k is terrible. What I’m saying is that some people think that getting 6-7k from a 30min turtle game is nice because “wow big honor cool”
What they fail to realize is that you can get on average 3k (get some HKs and a victory and you’ll have 3500) honor per 8min fast game and that adds up to about 7 games per hour which is 24500honor (if you win every game with every LT and commander dead).
Instead they grief us all and prolongs the game to 30min and…sure maybe you get 6k from that 30min turtle but that would only result in 12k per hour versus 25k so yeah like I tell ppl in the bg. If you want “real” pvp go play WSG or AB against sweaty premade that all use flask of the titan and every single consume + engi recipe in the game
I never saw it getting turtle. So either I was incredibly lucky or it doesn’t work that way. Worst case is like 20 minutes, then honor gets low because of repeated kills and I announce “everyone south” and we finish the game in the 2 minutes.
I don’t know what makes a turtle, but definitely not this tactics. I experienced games where majority of alliance farmed horde in mid, those games still didn’t turn into turtle. Either horde managed to end it fast or we just went south eventually. In fact I don’t think I saw a single turtle after R11. I saw few turtles before R11, even saw big bosses summons, but it was so rare that I probably could remember any single occasion. Unless you call turtle anything but 7 minute game.
Also forgot to mention, but actually doing PvP is 10 times more fun compared to brain dead pve route over and over. So curse me all you want, but I prefer getting fun in the game.
It doesn’t work that way. Not for alliance anyway. 7 minute game is like a super fast. Also 2 minutes for preparation and 2-4 minutes for queue. May be horde doesn’t have a queue, alliance does. So it’s like 12 minutes for a cycle. You can get 2500-3500 per each game. Usually 2500, because horde are cheaters and win faster. So 5 x 2500 = 12500 which is around right honor per hour in my experience doing PvE. With mid fighting I could easily get over 20k honor, reducing time to farm from 33 hours to 20 hours for 419k.
In fact I think that the best strat for alliance is to just farm horde for 20 minutes and then quickly end the game. Should be highest hph for alliance.
You’re playing the same game as the rest of us? Allies wins equal fast, and quite often. It’s a myth that horde win “everything”. Regarding queue? Wait until rank 14 is done on horde side, 2-4 minutes on your side? Can and will be far longer.
Personally? Not going to rank another toon, time spent on this is completely wasted. Pretty sure many other “hordies” think the same.
So enjoy your gamestyle, and upcoming queue times. As per now (EU) we have less than 1 minute queue time on our side xD
Yes, that is what I mean. I know turtle used to mean actually turtling in your base for hours, but words evolve. Now turtle just means any game where both sides fail the initial pull at 6 min for horde or 7 min for alliance.
Those games in my experience end between 18-31 minutes, which is the shortest/longest I’ve seen the game go after initial run wipes. If some people stay out and hold the gy, it can be even shorter like 14-15 min for second attempt.
And if you get 10+ egotists like this on your team, turtle is all but guaranteed.
Fun PvP happens in AB if not every enemy grp is a premade. AV is not fun PvP imho, AV is for honor and ranking. I wanna get trough it asap and never come back. ;D
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Properly played AV is pretty fun. Before classic it was one of my loved battlegrounds. Lots of things to do. But I played later versions. I think that this version could be fun too, but requires little tuning. For example warmasters should evade when someone tries to kite them out. Honor should only be awarded to the winner. This would put AV more in-line with other battlegrounds, would make ranking actually difficult and would make games more diverse.
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Horde AV queue 6 hours, Alliance queue 1 min, Alliance doesn’t even bother trying to win. Over half the team just passively farms rep afk while being below 60.
That’s just a fancy way of saying that ranking should be reserved to goldbuying premades like it was in Classic.
So basically game becomes unwinnable if the enemy burns down 4 of your towers.
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Killing some horde stragglers is so much more honor. I get about 1-2k extra honor per game. Massively increasing my honor per hour even if it result in the occasional turtle.
Also it;s just alot more fun, especially denying horde commanders/lieutenants. >:)
Horde is mostly bad though, they could just wipe the 5-8 ally player around Bal and then be 30 sec later and denying alliance the extra honor and gaining it themselfes. Iinstead they all mindlessly zerg into Bal’s room while we kill 10-20 of them still mounted with a small squad, who we then can kill again in midfield when they spawn in IB GY.
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AV is where i had the most epic battles and best in wow pvp.
But in 2025 Meta have decided that AV is only for grinding ranks and pvp or fun is not admitted.
I’m R13 atm, so grinding too and participating to rushes. And when things are not coming toghther, it is usually 15/20mn ““turtles””, saying it lasts 30/50mn is over exaggerated, i never had a 50mn game and maybe 1 or 2 30mn games since R1…
congratz. my first game today was 43min and I get around two or three 20min games per 10 games. every game today, ally have been griefing balinda kiters with 10 players.
The meta was the same in SoD since honor decay got removed. Obviously every1 wants to get rank14 then so they don’t gotta spend every single SR on AQ weapons.
Nobody would queue AV 100 games a day just for the fun of it lol.
If you want “fun” go queue AB or WSG with all the other sweaty premades. There you can have your 1hr wsg game. leave AV alone.
Also you must be capping outta your mind if you say you’ve only had 1 or 2 20min game since rank 1 lol.