Guys, I think that Gnome is an Orgrimmar agent
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So they joined burning legion
logic? flying onto stratosphere
I have feeling that this gnome is mind controlled by some sargeras-fan elven traitor
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So far I remember, that was humans who saved high elves from trolls and thatâs why Kaelthas father joined Alliance, no?
biggest loosers of whole wc universe since there are literally no single faction who didnât beated zuljin and his trolls
Belves were losing hard vs the Amani trolls. They made a deal with the Arathi humans, in exchange for helping them against the Amani, the belves would teach the humans how to use magic. Turns out the humans were insane magic users and pretty much destroyed the Amani empire single handedly.
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you can like it or not but thatâs the point - there was no other reasons to add elves to horde since surprise-surprise, high elves still a part of alliance, literally everyone who did not followed Kaelthas into outland to join the burning legion still stay as a part of Alliance, is it Silver Covenant or neutral HE it doesnât matter.
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HElves, not BElves and yes, thatâs not changing the point - without that amani would wipe all elves they could find on their raid to sunwell
Yup. WoWâs Alliance is different from W1/2 Alliance. Only original members left are some of the dwarf clans. Lordaeron â Forsaken, Quelâthalas â Blood Elves. The noems were barely involved in second and third wars while Stormwind were sitting on their hands scamming their construction workers, the night elves only got involved at the tailend of third war and never actually joined the Alliance current at the time.
Huh? Stormwind was pretty active during the 1st war and was destroyed, during war 2 the survivors joined Lordaeron. Stormwinds rebuilding began sometime after WC3.
One thing Iâd do with the Alliance is reform the old kingdoms. Kultiras is already in, Gilneas is being reclaimed, maybe reclaim Arathor as well, make it a proper kingdom with itâs own specific heraldry, architecture and fashion like Gilenas and Kultiras. Get some human potential going.
Actually come to think of it thatâs already happening to some degree. The humans in that hole we are gonna go to in the next expansion are from Arathor, right? Well there you go.
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Why old hatreds are supposed to be definitive reason for why they must not join a faction? I mean warcraft is about having compromises and forgetting old hatreds for greater good.
I know that average forum user out here probably has poor education, mentally disabled in some ways, and never participated in proper discussion, but i ask again: if the only reason belves are in horde because blizzard wanted a pretty race, then WHICH RACE was supposed to be a new horde race INSTEAD of blood elves, because you see - based on second grade primary school logic, which, i SUPPOSE youâve been in and based on common sense that you 2 probably lack: for blood elves addition to the horde having only, ONLY ONE explanation - there must be alternatives, and to refresh your 5 minute fish memory: tbc is an outland expansion, contiunuation of warcraft 3 frozen throne story.
I gave you 2 one last chance, please donât waste it, because i have a feeling that i talk to monkeys
Because that is the reason given for not joining the Alliance. Orc, Trolls and Undead have done more damage to High/Blood elves than Garithos ever could have and Garithos wasnât a part of the Alliance.
What you on about? He was literally gonna execute what was left of them essentially wiping them out. And consider he was supposed to be an ally, not an enemy.
undead are ruled by belves valiant warrior who sacrifcied herself for silvermoon, trolls arenât those who were warring against quelâthalas, so basically they could have grudge only against orcs, and orcs too are led by new generation orc that was raised by humans and has positive outlook on future and also strives for peace.
Details like this make belves join compelling, and itâs interesting turn of events, we even have interesting polarity unique for warcraft with âsavageâ elves being in faction of civilized races and âcityâ elves being in faction of tribalistc races, when i first seen character creation screen i thought it war a really great and unique disparity, and blizzard has a habit of breaking traditional fantasy race sterotypes
He was going to execute those under Kaelâthas. Silver covenant and Farstriders were not present there. Compare that to what the trolls did, have been massacring waginf a war with them for thousands of years. Compare that to what the orcs did, anihilated pretty much all of their settlements leading to Silvermoon. Compare that to what the undead did, brought them close to extinction.
Also can we please stop ignoring that Garithosâ men are now part of the Forsaken. Sylvans killed and raised them as her own soldiers, she kept raising lordaeronians. Alliance has SW, KT and Stromgard humans.
I donât know why are you talking to the mirror.
Your main mistake is to think that there was other option and you trying to figure out âoh, letâs add this pretty race to horde INSTEAD some otherâ when there were no other race, it was a plan from beginning with only this motivation on it.
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Yes, I am comparing it and itâs the same. Trolls and orcs were not their friends. They were enemies. They attacked them when they could. Garithos was their ally and he tried to execute them when they were at their weakest.
Iâm actually not sure what the hell you are trying to justify here.
The undead under Sylvanas are the humans that wanted to use them for âoperation elf shieldâ.
I have already pointed that out. Yes belves have no reason to hate the Darkspear if their hatred is no race based, but then how do you explain their hatred for humans. You canât blame Garithos on all humankind but then say, oh it was only the Amani. Thatâs my point.
1 orc. Thrall. The rest were present for the 1st and 2nd war. Saurfang and Eitrigg genreal.
Not trying to justify anything. However some have a much larger kill count than others.
Okay so basically belves were always bound to be a horde race and was the only logical turn of events because narratives puts it out in this way, got it, argument is worthless because warcraft universe, lore, story and authorâs vision is written like this.
Never seen someone argue that necrons must be chaos androids because in early sketches of the lore it was written this way in wh40k community