Dude, sorry but are you acting stupid?
Blizzard planned for Blood elves to be an Allince race, they decided to give them to the Horde due to feedback/backlash/uproar/whatever you want to call it, before they decided what was going to be the Horde race. Belves were planned as a Vannila race, but got pushed back to a later date, same as Necromancer and Dragon isles which were also the original plan for vannila.
Still wanna know how DH was expected to be if they were released as planned - in tbc
so what itâs supposed to prove, many things change when game is going through development process
was this uproar in wow beta or something? iâm already having a problem in orienting within timelines, because by all means belves were bound to be a horde race since wc3 frozen throne
Okay thatâs interesting, thank you, iâm starting to recieve actual arguments.
During Vanilla, because everyone and their mother was playing Alliance (for one reason or the other). Sometime during Vanilla Belves were moved to be a Horde race andthey started developing the Draenei for the Alliance.
That the original plan was for them to be Alliance.
Okay it still doesnât explain things: i bet tbc was atleast 50% ready since vanilla, they already had storyline, and they needed to decide which race will be added for horde, i really doubt that they just changed their plans because itâs certainly not the blizzard way and they needed to include some race that has connection to outland for horde, uproar wouldâve changed nothing.
It seems like this whole uproar thing is authorâs bias and belves were bound to be a horde race long before, yes with one of the primary reasons to include beatiful race for horde but also with solid lore setup.
Ok a lot to unpack here. First of all TBC didnât really make any sense storywise, it was all rule of cool, neither Blood elves joining Horde was lore-friendly nor was Kaelâthas and Illidan going evil. Everything was made in order to push gameplay.
the 2nd thing I wanted to address was that during BfA Vulpera were datamined way back at launch while their counterpart got leaked pretty close to their release. I am using this as an example of how far a part a race could be planned and/or developed compared to their counterpart.
It was literally confirmed by a lot of Blizzard devs at the time, what do you mean?
true, iâd argue that tbc is worse than shadowlands, i just think that races atleast somehow make sense, but what they did to kael and illidan is unforgivable.
But that means that they added only possible race for horde because draenei and nagas were out of question, for uproar to change something they need to have a different idea for starters, and unless they wanted to change and rewrite draenei lore drastically horde doesnât have candidates.
lmao, obliterated them? No. He left them to their own. Thats all he did. And that appearently is enough for kyleâthas to team up with naga and the burning legion. all Garithos did was looking out for humans first. The scourge obliterated them. And before the scourge did that it was THE HORDE trying to besiege and genocide them like they did with human kingdoms. So them joining the horde because one local lordearon remnant warlord was mean to them was just plain stupid lorewise. trolls,orcs and undead should have been far more hated by the elves.
Especially concidering elves looked down on other races for a long time seeing them as lesser. But when humans do it back to the elves is suddenly a warcrime.
Garithos did nothing wrong. He just looked after his people first in place overrun by demons and undead. The elves only looked at humans as allies when they needed more manpower like in the trollwars. Otherwise they were pretty much as cold towards humans as garithos was towards elves.
Garithos basicly was the garrosh of the alliance. He wasnt perfect but he was great. But people seem to dislike him because he isnt some holy mary sue
I disagree for the reason I have already listed. I really do not care which side Belves ended up with, but I do care about the reasons given for joining said side.
Quick google search and this is what I found.
" Were Blood/High elves supposed to be added as an Alliance race in vanilla wow? âBlizzard wanted to add Blood Elfs for the Alliance, but they just couldnât finish QuelâThalas while developing vanilla . High Elfs were already ingame in Classic and all of them (besides ghost-versions) were Alliance.â
There was something about Gnomes being the replacement for Helves because they could do without a capital city or whatever but I really donât have the time to search for that atm.
You asked me to compare them, I did, based on the situation not just the numbers.
To make a dumb analogy here thatâs like me breaking your finger when you are drinking, I donât know, apple juice with that hand and me breaking your finger while you are using that hand to hold on to something so as not to fall to your death. Thatâs the difference between what happened to be belfs in an open war with trolls and crap and what happened to them at Dalaran.
I always thought that forsaken are collection of scourge victims, including elves, they just donât have proper elf playable model, they do have dark ranger model tho
Perspective of not having playable gnomes in game makes me happy
All of the events that Amani, First Horde and Scourge did let to the Garithos situation. Do you honestly believe that if their numbers werenât already dwindling they would have sought âhelpâ from Garithos. Also for the 1000 time the people that betrayed the Blood elves are in the Horde now.
Nope, all of them are from Lordaeron. In Wc3 Sylvanas only managed to capture that city and liberate those undead, plus some from the plaguelands later on (Nathanos). From Cata onwards she was raising humans from Lordaeron, hence the undead intro quests where you literally wake up in your crypt in Lordaeron.
How are they in the Horde?
What are you playing or at least posting from?
No, say it. Explain to me how they are in the Horde.
exactly, elves before all the lore butchering in the wow expansions were pretty stuck up and looked down on the humans. Like i said before without the troll wars they would never tred to be friendlier with humans or teach them magic
Garithos commanded Loradaeronian humans only. Those same humans died. Sylvanas literally raised them as forsaken in the campaign and she kept on raising them after. All of the forsaken characters are Lordaeronian humans, not Stormwindian, not Kul tiran, not Arathi, not Stromguard, Lordaeron. It was Lordaeron who betrayed the Blood elves.
To an extend dalaran as well. Dalaran also got sacked by the scourge and in the first chapter where you meet garithos he also says something about returning to dalaran as if it was their base of operations
Sylvanas raised them? How? She couldnât raise undead. She was a banshee. And even if she could you are making the assumption that she did because I donât know of any forsaken who claim they were part of that force. Itâs more probable they were consumed just like their boss.