I am going to jump you, and ask you inmediatly, how many hours per week do you put into this game? I am not calling you a no lifer but geniunelky curious cause when I play this gamer as a casual player, Icome to very different times when I have one less character.
Simply put
Covenant stuff per week per char takes on off around 2 hours unless you optimally run it in premade groups that you are in with ea (guilds)
So that would make 8 hours.
You’re telling me you pug 12 dungeans, in 4 hours? that most people with a job and RL do. ALONG with two wings of TG which has split layer grouping cause some of your or my characters do not have layer 8 unlocked, or any layer unlocked after 4 or so
Tbh I have 4 level 60s all between 190-200 ilevel. Hasn’t been that hard tbh
This was your other post in this topic. So no, I dont believe you’re speaking for anyone that is casual at all.
Its a subjective matter, you can not speak on behalf of everyone and tell them what it is supposed to be, you can only speak about your own views.
You make it sound like some sort of religion, its not, its a game with a very loyal playerbase who have stuck with its ups and downs and various treatments from blizzard.
To be alt-friendly it has to main-friendly in the first place. People spending alot of time and effort and getting nothing from it if unlucky will quit the game sooner or later.
Many people keep a second character competitive. I mained 2 toons all of bfa and a third one in 8.3. Same with legion, two chars, whats wrong with that if someone likes it? Is it not meant to be?
I apparently have been thoroughly jebaited. I thought this was a thread about the alt experience in Shadowlands and treated it as such, but this is simply another loot whiner thread. Didn’t realize and tried to have an intelligent conversation, my bad. Carry on.
Getting itemlevelupgrades does not necessarily mean they are upgrades to your performance. If you have a 213 item with bis stats + socket a 220 item with bad stats and no socket usually is no upgrade.
Tbh I put a fair few in I won’t deny it, my gaming hours generally range between 3-5 hours a day maybe more on days off.
With covenant stuff, I only bother with the callings every now and then they aren’t mandatory. I do torghast most weeks (I think I’ve missed a week with a few of them though)
I didn’t say having Alts is casual friendly though in all honesty. I didn’t say the expansion itself is casual friendly.
But considering the majority of casual players don’t do m+ or raids
Your Alts span to 1 calling quest, 3 maw dailies, 2 weekly torghast runs and a weekly campaign questline. It seems drastically lower for a casual player.
The point is people like to screech the game isn’t alt friendly while the daily content is so small that it doesn’t realistically add up.
To have 2 competitive chars, it’s no longer a alt hence why people like preachgaming don’t refer to their second char as a alt anymore, only the chars they don’t raid with they call Alts.
This is because it’s a guild requirement to have multiple mains.
I at no point talked on behalf of others I put my view forward on what I think on the arguments over the section and clarified to what alt friendly means to me personally.
I didn’t say anyone agreed with me or shared my opinion however.
Well if we are talking about gearing everyone’s just as slow in all honesty.
You have mains still under 200 ilevel. So if Ur Alts like 182 Ur not exactly far behind the curve on a alt.
And no BFA wasn’t alt friendly due to how many individual tasks u had to do per day. Doing every daily every day on 5 chars endlessly while having to do islands and Warfronts for rewards on every char weekly. While farming essences and ranking those essences up every day.
To then doing 5/6 visions per week on every char was no short grind.
It got alt friendly mid 8.3 sure but before that it was awful.
Im not a gear driven person.
I play my chars for fun and I do m+ because I enjoy it. If I get some loot it’s a bonus. But I primarily am doing it because it’s fun to do. Then I get my gv loot at the end of the week.
If I’m behind the curve I don’t care 🤷🤷 I only every do my keys. And I have friends to do my keys with. The “ilevel barriers” of joining others groups has never affected me.
And I even started raid leading pugs back in legion for my tier sets. I’ve never relied on getting into anyone elses runs. So not maximising my ilevel has never affected me
We’re nnot really tralking about gearing, gearing is a part of it but honesty, when I want to talk gearing in alt frierndlyness I just wanna go back to the BOA drops that you gotten during wod and mop that you can transfer to your aots if the classes on it where for those. So I am like ehhh, why ccant we have that?
I enjoyed islands, but the thing is, everything was related to borrowed powers in BFA which is why I feel most players whom complained are players whom spend more then 12 hours on it. I never really odne that. Yes, when I was from holidays returning, I possible played a little bit more ,buit since I only really have 6 weeeks in a year that I can essentially take free, IJ cant in the majority of time.
Please stop speaking “in the name of the MAJORITY”.
Alt friendly means …ALT FRIENDLY, not insta-powa. You want with a newly alt lv 60 to be in the same line as someone who has played a main for … 6 weeks?!
Are you out of your mind? If you want to be 100% “catch up” , play your main. For “side playing” , chose alts.
Geezes, you … spoiled kids. I’m very much speechless. That’s why we get so many nerfs and such.
I hope they will not boost the drops, especially for cryers like you. I did 7 runs and I got a drop. Not bad, but not great either. BUT this is what it is. If I “dress up” with upgrades in a week, i’ll surely get bored.
Its rather swap friendly in a sense that if you wanna drop your main and be around the same level as your main that you started with, you could. Play more than one character at the same time, remotely seriously, and you are in for the same chore as the last few expansions.
