I really can’t believe a hordes are complaining about AV, when most AV games start with 20 or less alliance players, i had games start with 10 alliance players vs 40 hordes, and don’t give me s**t about premades causing this cause that is fairy tail. In 6 days of playing at least 5 hours/day of AV I have won 3 games and met only 2 alliance premade by chance.
Most games started with Alliance outnumbered and then farmed at Stoneheart graveyard till most players ghost walked around.
Hordes have backdoor option and they get to bypass towers and get the graveyard with 1 player, Alliance has to go through 2 towers hitting you at the same time.
But what am I saying? 95% of the games Alliance doesn’t reach horde base.
It’s not bad enough that the world PvP is awful on my server where there are 80% hordes and we getting ganged and ganked everywhere even in main cities, you get in the BG and you are outnumbered there as well?
What is the point? that is not PvP!! you try to move around and alwasy 3-4 hordes jump on you, where is the fight? where is the skill?
I only preserved through phase 2 because I thought horde will suffer on BG queues, but when it started I found out it’s crossrealm, and some will say: “oo but it was stated from the start that is going to be crossrealm” well I don’t know where they hid that info cause I read and watched videos about wow classic for days and days before it launched and never heard of that, because in that case I would have never agreed to my friends insistence of making an alliance character with the hordes overpowered racials (aka 90% stun rezist on orc vs my HOJ -PS: I know it’s 30% on paper, but in real game it’s not).
So after the great phase 2 release my “great PvP friends” quit the game :)) even though I kept on saying this was a bad server to play on, anyway …
But now even though Blizzard didn’t set a faction limit difference and created this imbalanced faction ratio they are doing so in BG?
Well I’m not going back to retail cause I didn’t play since mist of Pandaria and I hate what they did with the current game and I just hit the cancel subscription, help my guildies in their raid with the remaining time and delete my Blizzard account
Keep calm, and join or snipe premade.
You should try Retail as well, it’s not bad. Sure, it’s not the gold TBC/WOTLK, but M+ and the new raid is nice.
In another post you mentioned you’re not joining premades, you’re quing solo.
That’s the problem in your point, because you’re not looking for premades. Now go create horde character and play AV. 90% of games you will have premades. 5/7 days you will lose most of the AVs, because after 5 days most of premades are capped in honor and this is when the fun begins for horde side.
Go join premades dude, you will understand the problem from the other side, because you can’t comment on the thing which you haven’t experienced fully. You’re joining AV SOLO. SOLO. And 1 more time SOLO. Join premades, you will win 90% of games.
Do you just not understand that the reason it starts 10 vs 40 is because 30 Allies declined because their premade queue trick failed so they leave the queue?
Are you honestly gonna blame the Horde for what your OWN FACTION is doing to you? 
But the premades are causing it… they’re leaving the queue and thus that spot is now empty.
It’s why I don’t touch AV anymore, simply because I either have to deal with this or be forced to join a premade(Which isn’t PvP)
Very dramatic, Uther.
I see only 2 problems here: your own alliance which play in premades 95% of time, so the rest of allys are fckd AND your friends which forces you to go alliance and then ran off…
“games start with 20 or less alliance players, i had games start with 10 alliance players vs 40 hordes, and don’t give me s**t about premades causing this cause that is fairy tail.” 
Uhm, it’s true though. I’ve spent some time in the lower rank premades. 250 queue up at the same time, a list with about 10 AV’s will pop up, a couple of those will have 30+ premade members and enough healers and tanks, and people will enter. Any games that show less than 25 premade members will get dropped. This dropping of queues is what causes games to start without a full alliance team.
Luckily, joining premades is trivially easy and there’s no reason to suffer pugs. You’ll get way better winrates too, even in the bottom of the barrel premades.
Starting the BG with less people can’t be all due to premades. I don’t want to be ridiculous and say premades doesn’t cause this sometimes, but as I said this happened over a period of 6 days with more than 5 hours/day with no queue time. There are lots of games that don’t fill up even after 8-10 minutes of gameplay.
And for example I join a queue and I’m the first to enter (i’m set as raid leader) in 20-30 seconds the game fills with 20 ppl (alliance side) and then starts (20vs40)… a 30 min game of frustration and helplessness, because I’m a “tryharder” I don’t want to afk like most do.
And that is another issue that kills me, you can’t do s**t about afk players, even though you report them nothing happens, I don’t say I don’t understand them but that attitude is ruining the game for the rest who really want to play the game
I wouldn’t mind waiting in a queue until all 40 spots are filled and have a satisfying PvP game, I really like WOW don’t get me wrong, but this imbalance ruined the game for me.
I leveled my first char (mage) to lvl 60 in the first week after launch constantly fighting hordes 1vs 2/3, and in phase 2 I leveled both a paladin and druid through constant ganks, and it’s not even a question of fight, you just can’t they always outnumber you, but always thought it would be better in BG…but reality is a bit*h.
I would suggest to be queue for alliance as well, until all spots are filled or not a difference of more than 5 ppl and for afk ppl to be obliged to engage in pvp combat (in a set amount of time) once they are reported or be kicked out, so you can’t afk in a cave or ghost walk.
This requires maintenance and development, so not gonna happen.
They don’t even read EU forums just copy-paste some blue posts from US.
Premades leave av bg constantly, thats why almost every single round we are outnumbered, i started 5vs40 more then once. THere are options, Blizz could mark those that leave the queue as deserters or make it so that u can only join a bg solo or as a party, NOT as a raid.
It is though, watch monkeynews or maitoz or whoever of them streams, they like ‘ok we opened 3 Avs now which do we take?’ And then they que to a specific. Ofc those Avs they opened and abondened arent gonna be filled since the players who were suppose to play in them didnt join. I think horde forum qqers should stop beacuse they make our que times shorter and give us a free win with this premade abuse. Opens 3 Avs, which give 1 7min win for them and 2 wins for horde
I had diferent problem.
I couldnt find single pug for 2 days where I want to finish quests and level 2-3 levels.
I think I played around 20 AVs and only last 5 of them were pugs other were 6 mins premades.
But overall i think its 50:50 now for alliance when queuing solo
Why don’t you join a discord for grouping up? They are made exactly to prevent afkers/ghosters/level <60 harpy farmers etc
Leave the imbalanced games as they are, they serve the function of keeping the horde’s illusion alive
Hey, smartpants, dare to explain why alliance has 5 vs 10 warsong as well ?
Premades make alliance pug START with low amount of players.
But the fact alliance remains low populated first 10 minutes is about braindead que system and low alliance pvp population.
In the prime time most these 5 ppl games are filled within first 2 minutes.
Not in the prime time alliance can be 20 man for 30 minutes, thats not because premades, thats because alliance is low populated and game is allowed to begin with unfair advantage.
But i like how u always pull “ha-ha its ur premaaades” cause u constantly getting clapped by them so you have to find a way for your hatred that being transformed into some poor quality sarcasm.
I wouldn’t know, I’ve never seen that happen in WSG.
You are the luckiest person in the history of WoW if you ended up 15 premades from 20 AV. Usually it’s about one 6 minute premade from 100 games.