An almost solution for tanks in solo Shuffle (in my opinion)

[Bewarê-frostmane]

@Kentack-bladefist

Barely anyone is playing right now, let alone solo shuffle. Once Dragonflight season 1 rolls around, queues are not going to be a problem.

What causes long queues in shuffle can be a mixture of things. But it isn’t the participation numbers per se.
For instant queues, as long as it doesn’t cause server queues (i.e. that the servers can’t keep up with the demand) then for every 2 DPS, there needs to be 1 healer or 1 prot pala queuing. For every 1 prot pala, there needs to be another prot pala queuing. For every non-prot pala tank, there needs to be 3 dps and 2 healers queuing.
And this is just what’s needed in the same starting matchmaking parameters, for there to be instant queues.

So if there’s 4 dps for every 1 healer or 1 prot pala, queues increase a bit. If there’s an uneven amount of prot palas, queues can increase a bit more for the people the system is planning to match up with that prot pala that hasn’t found a matching prot pala yet.

And this can be different between different rating ranges. So one range can have a perfect mixture of DPS and healers and prot palas, while another might have too many healers and prot palas, while another might have too many DPSers.

So what the system does, is that the longer time a player spends in the queue, the more it expands the matchmaking parameters ±, until it finds a match. Which affects other ranges too.

Anyway, high ratings very often tends to have poor queue times.

But I’ve already explained to that DH tank, however he’s just a really sore loser who doesn’t understand what he’s told, that queue times will be adjusted by the player base itself eventually.

@Bewarê-frostmane

@Vinzora-draenor

People are going to regret asking Blizzard to remove tanks.

As explained already, there’s an effect on the player base as queue times goes up. Eventually, there will be people who will adjust the split in the player base on their own, simply because they want faster queues. In other words, there’ll be people who will stop queuing for shuffles as a DPS and others who will reroll healers to queue for shuffles, which will bring the queue times down that way.
Different rating ranges got different splits in the player base for roles as well.

The real problem is that healing isn’t seen as enjoyable in a heavy burst meta, so it points more towards core issues in gameplay design which Blizzard will be forced to address eventually.

However, tanks have no place in deathmatch PvP. It’s just a shame they didn’t disable the ability to queue as that role completely, but this is good enough for now.

Also, there will be tanks who will reroll to prot palas if they aren’t playing that already, because they’ll want tank queues. So they’re not gone entirely, it’s just limited to prot palas now.

@Bewarê-frostmane

@Vinzora-draenor

Most players don’t have a heal spec though

Nice little edit you did there. However, you do realise most people have at least 1 alt, right? And I said they’d either quit queuing or reroll to healer, while tanks will reroll to prot palas, all of which will bring queue times down. So yes, that is a solution.

It’s just sad watching you so desperately cling to the tank shuffles. People wanted you gone, so you’re gone. Deal with it. And have fun trolling low ratings.

@Bewarê-frostmane

@Vinzora-draenor

You’re acting like everything is set in stone and they can’t switch tank games back on in a split second. Just wait a few days when the forums are full of people complaining about 30-minute queues, Blizzard will be forced to act.

They really won’t be.

For one, Blizzard made these changes while acknowledging the complaints about tanks, implying that they too recognize the problems people complained about. Blizzard are also qualified enough to realise that these effects I mentioned, takes time. People don’t just swap when feeling perfectly satisfied, those changes in roles played are often motivated by dissatisfaction with what they used to play.

So if you think they’ll turn it back on in a few days, then you’re straight up delusional.

But have fun with those lies you tell yourself. I can see it’s working out great for you.

See, that DH tank is telling himself those self-comforting lies because he just can’t accept the fact that he’s the scum of arenas, and players don’t want him in it.

What’s funny is that I can already provide examples of how the player base adjusts it on their own:

@Sinnkra-argent-dawn

Yes I’m also sometimes healing for fast queues but I would prefer to play dps… if only it had instant queues.

^ That person has nothing to do with the conversation, but the impact it had on him to want to swap to healing sometimes is exactly the effect I described that’ll keep spreading in the player base, to varying degrees. The DH tank just doesn’t want to accept it.