Anduin in stormwind keep?

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So, as I was digging through the sources of info and while nothing more concrete about timing, here are a few minor additions.

From Before the Storm:

“He is indeed Forsaken. He seems genuine, though when I suggested he pledge fealty to you and the Horde, he demurred. He said he preferred to serve the Light rather than kings or queens.”

“Ha!” Sylvanas said without humor. “I liberated him to be a Forsaken so that he could have free will, and thus am I repaid. No matter. I take it you believe he is harmless.”

Now, Alonsus himself was not in the story (as undead) till the Legion. So the only organisation I was able to tie him to is Conclave. Which puts him into the category of those who were in the Netherlight Temple. This was a prison built by draenei.

While this says nothing about the timing with Calia Menethil events, it limits the time when Alonsus could even joing the thing - there was no draenei presence on Azeroth till TBC.

Can’t add anything else so far.
:frowning:

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Was this the moment she had been thinking of ever since she had found her way to the Netherlight Temple and Archbishop Faol?

seems to be too weak of a link.

gl hf

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These couldn’t be equally possible.

Southshore, and those that inhabited it, knew perfectly well about the Forsaken. About what and who they were, even back during Classic times.

And nobody confused them with the Scourge.

In fact, the final attack that ultimately razed the town and gave the Forsaken a definite victory, came after a joint effort that had the Alliance collaborating to some degree with Horde forces that included the Forsaken, to topple the REAL Scourge.

In the book, she makes several references that seem to frame her struggles way before Cataclysm and the forsaken onslaught against Southshore.

Referencing the rampage that spread out of Capitol City after Arthas arrival:

I remember lying in a ditch while the Scourge passed above me.

What seems to reference the expanse of Kelthuzad influence out of the Plaguelands:

We were happy for a time. And then came the blight.

And finally, how she acknowledges that the ones that may have killed her family, did so as part of the Scourge and not the Forsaken:

“You’re hoping that your husband and child, too, became Forsaken instead of dying as Scourge,” he said softly.

This last quote, is the bit that predates the one you mentioned above.

“It wasn’t until I met the archbishop that I started to understand that the Forsaken weren’t monsters. They were just…us. The same people you and I would be if we had been killed and given a different sort of life.”

She acknowledges that her family was killed by the first undead attacks, even if she had to wait for Faols explanation in order to understand the difference regarding those that were left behind.

She wouldn’t be hoping to have her family be Forsaken aligned, if she thought that said faction, or those same undead that currently populated it, was the one that killed them in the first place while in Darkshore.

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Well, for now they are not. Because there are no traces of a devastating attack on Southshore, that would require anybody to flee from the town, since the time of the 3rd war till Cataclysm. But one might be added eventually with the power of retcons.

For the sake of creating that story, by her own admission, that was the case with Calia Menethil specifically. Until her meeting with Alonsus she saw them as the same kind. How logical, clever, or any other evaluation of such decision on the dev side - I can’t really tell. I just mention what I could find.

If you’ll happen to have free time, I would be glad to know the quests covering it. Thanks in advance.

I don’t know, really. To me it seems like the events could not happen at that time, but my limited English could betray me.

lying in a ditch

Yes, it is about her escape from Lordaeron.

That is possible. But I am not sure when would it happen. At least not yet. Blight could be in either kind. She does not tell how the blight affected the victims.

That’s a line from Anduin. He knows about the difference. By the time they talk in the Netherlight Temple she does too.

There is no mention of that. Just that they were separated. Unfortunately, nothing else. Would there be another survivor mentioned, we could easily solve the puzzle.

They are separated, she knows nothing more, since she did not encouter them immedeately, assumes the worst. They could be among the forsaken (unlikely after pre-patch, but still possible), currently dead, or among the other refugees.

gl hf

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If not this addon, then the next. I’m kinda betting on this addon, though, with all the dead lordaeronians around. Highlighting the Scarlet Pamphlets in Exploring Azeroth was more than a little hint.

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She agrees with him.

And again, if the attack against Southshore that killed her family, had been the one the Forsaken did in Cataclysm, she wouldn’t be hoping that they were part of said faction. Nor doubting whether they’d be part of the Scourge.

Because (a), why would she be comforted by the fact that her family joined their killers?, and (b) everyone knows that it was the Forsaken and not the Scourge, the ones that attacked Southshore in Cataclysm. She couldn’t be confusing both collectives.

By the time Cataclysm hit, nobody in neither the Alliance nor the settlements aligned with it (I.e. Southshore), had any doubts regarding how to distinguish the Scourge and the Forsaken.
Several years had passed, and everyone on Azeroth had taken part in conflicts that witnessed how both undead factions clash against each other. Be it against Naxxramas (twice), Stratholme, or in Northrend.

No, the only time Calia could’ve mistaken them, was just before Classic.
When the Forsaken had just broken free, and were still settling as a proper independent faction that had yet to join the Horde.

And framing an attack on Southshore as part of the onslaught that drove the Scourge out of the Plaguelands, and across the lands of Lordaeron, when Arthas was at his peak of influence over the land (after his return from Northrend), makes far more sense than Calia being miraculously oblivious to a reality that everyone else on Southshore knew.

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Yes, she agrees that she would prefer them to be forsaken rather than dead / scourge.

She says nothing else about Southshore. All that is known is that she knew no difference between the groups. So anything using the blight would be called “scourge”. Time when distinguishing the 2 was possible for her came after the attack happened.

There exist so far evidense of only a single serious attack on Southshore after the 3rd war. And it was simultaneously the last. The worst thing known so far about the place in that time perion is (wowpedia article):

Southshore was a quiet port town and one of the few pockets of human civilization that existed in Lordaeron, maintaining their allegiance to the Alliance. A few survivors of the Third War and adventurers called this town home.

Now, who exactly knows what - an open question. Assumptions are fine and all, but I mentioned the quote from the book stating that the topic of undead is generally never discussed by the living. Not the scourge, nor the forsaken.

But yes, you are correct that in the future such event might be weaved into the story. Which is why I am saying it’s all possible.

gl hf

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