Im simply done with going back to square 1 with this guy, my patience just ran low.
I guess i got a problem.
Im not gonna bother from now on.
I really lack the energy anyway.
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Im just curious why this isnât opt in instead of opt out.
Having to register to opt out of it seems like a big hazzle.
Iâve also been stalked and harassed before, but I just accept that my life is cursed and idk⊠go to bed when it gets too muchâŠ
But I still feel like having sites be OPT OUT rather than OPT IN is ⊠weird.
Itâs like âYou agreed to be part of this community of people who dress up as parrots and eat peanuts upside down every friday while hating on squirrles by screaming loudly in megaphones⊠and if you donât wanna be part of them and support them; you have to write us a letter.â â like⊠why?
I like being able to be part of whatever I choose to be part of, and register what I want to register (like on some sites you can choose what chars you want to show etc once you have joined), but I feel like it automatically broadcasting my alts around carelessly is a bit⊠on the weird side.
Opt in > opt out.
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Yeah itâs strange that it works like that. For Bnet approval is required, which makes sense, but for characters it isnât.
Maybe it has something to do with old âspaghettiâ code.
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Sure. However already a thing aside from Pet/Mount collection. The rest is hideable.
Never going to happen. Its already pretty much impossible to meet in the same shard. The only exceptions here are RP Realms. This would also cause problems on said realms. Lets say you put someone on ignore and can never be in the same shard you will now effectively be alone in the entire world since nobody else has that person on ignore and as such will share the shard with them, a shard you now cant access anymore.
We could say that the game then does a 50/50 to decide whether said person to appear in your shard or in the ignored persons shard. That is something prone to abuse since a person can take advantage of this to ignore others and âbind them to their shardâ instead as to not appear in theirs.
This stalker is active since BFA. Thats in the very least 3+ years based on the release of Shadowlands. Since BFA released in 2018 it could also range from 3 to 5 years. That is not a lazy stalker. Also someone thats lazy is getting bored quickly, by definition. This stalker is not lazy.
Doesnt work against people that obviously have a vendetta that spans over three to five years.
Complains about getting stalked and wants sympathy. Throws around insults left and right.
I am staying on topic. I only drifted a tad away with rootlocus. A conversation that you barged into and started to attack and throw insults.
âpeople dont agree with me so that must mean people say i deserve to be stalkedâ. Flawless logic right there mate.
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Yes. An attitude one.
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Iâve been using my friends list this expansion to make contacting crafters easier for gear upgrades. In the past Iâve usually added people I grouped up in the open world and had a laugh with in case I see them again, e.g. fellow pirate farmers in Tanaris while trying to get Insane in the Membrane.
Itâs not that difficult to think of uses for it other than creeping or stalking people, really.
I might have attitude problems but youre clearly a narcisist. I never wanted sympathy, i just used it as example stop gasslighting me it does not even matter , also in many other places where you commented in other threads you comment under âhe/himâ.
Anyway, I pointed out an unarguable issue, and wanted to hear if people are on the same page, you keep arguing semantics, and its literal no progress.
What i learned is:
You can opt out of armory and Check-pvp and wowlogs which is good.
You can hide achievements which is also good.
Reminding you the main issue remains:
Theres no way of removing your character from friends list (not bnet friends list but character friends list),
People whom you know stalk you can still see wheather youre online or not and your location and on Rp servers its a huge problem,
People can still interract with you via toys , and /emotes and custom /emotes.
People can still see you in /who even though you /ignored them.
Ps. comment bellow mentions they use charecter add for crafters and such, which is a great point and i still think a nice middle ground would be to only be able to see their online status not their location and for them to get a simple notification that you added them and from then on they can decide weather to leave it as is or use /ignore on you to stop you from seing them anymore and interract with them via /emotes, toys and etc.
Thats the whole thing I really dont see how this can be a bad thing.
And because I dont want to fight semantics anymore, let me ask you this:
What are the downsides of my proposition?
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Nearly 2 days of constant insulting. Please do tell me more. Its getting absolutely hilarious at this point.
âpeople dont agree with my suggestion because its flawed so imma better call it gaslightingâ
Do please share where i do so. Chop chop im waiting. And no, me not constantly correcting people does not mean i post as a âheâ. Go on, im waiting.
The issue that you have a stalker. The only effective way to deal with them is by Blizzard punishing them. All of your suggestions are thus far completely flawed and ultimately pointless.
A faction change force removes you from the friendslist.
That is possible even without the friendslist. Your ignore suggestion also doesnt work due to being able to circumvent it with a throwaway account. Even if they implemented something that completely blocks you off they could still find you with ease if they really wanted due to RP realms having a fixed shard. They would just camp the areas you are frequent to visit for world pvp reasons.
The only issue here being custom emotes. Regular emotes have already been nerfed by Blizzard. And if their /me emotes are overboard they can be reported for it with ease.
Your ignore wouldnt do anything. They would just create a new account and track you through that. Doesnt even cost money.
Sure. Pointless but sure. But given that in some cases people would like to see where said crafter actually is to see whether he just accepted the order but isnt fullfilling it or actually does what hes supposed to do this is debatable.
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I wouldnât mind if they made this change, at least I canât think of any downsides to it. I canât remember the last time Iâve used my friends list to see where someone is, in my personal use itâs just used to see whoâs online and, in the case of Bnet friends, on which character.
Iâve found it handy to first whisper the crafters to ask if theyâre currently available to craft something when I see them online before I put up the work order. Havenât had any issues with the orders not getting fulfilled with that approach. Granted, itâs all anecdotal.
I had a crafter once that took his sweet butt time to move his butt into Brackenhide. And im not talking 5 minutes. Plus you cant even cancel the order once accepted by anybody.
Technically not true, trial account have limitations on interactions with other players. They canât communicate with players over 10 (?) Levels higher with them and wouldnt have access to DF zones so they would at the very least have to purchase game time on the new account and probably the expansion to actively carry on the level of harassment OP describes.
In saying that, someone determined enough wonât have any issue with spending the money to carry on a deranged campaign of griefing.
I dont see an issue with blizzard making a change to the in game friend list so that both parties have to âacceptâ the friendship. It wonât 100% foolproof solve the problem but its not going to have a negative impact on the game either.
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Im specifically pointing towards the option to /who. Cant ignore an account you dont know exists.
Tbh, they probably arenât using /who on AD anyway the TRP addon has a function to show other TRP addon users on the map and you can search each zone no matter where you are to see if people are about and roleplaying.
It is limited by faction, but it is probably quicker to log off and switch chars then to log off and switch accounts.
Lets say they disable the API transmission for that (which wouldnt sit well with all the normal addon users i imagine), or the addon puts in a âhide me optionâ then they could just go to the throw away account.
As for the quicker: I mean, its not like its going to consume much resources to have another account run in the background and just alt+tab if you really are a stalker.
Another option could be âno /who without a running subâ. But then looking at tokens makes this far less of an issue considering the amount of gold that is present in the game (we are, again, speaking about hardcore stalkers here that do so since 3+ years). Would only have to pay the sub for money once and then trade gold from the main account since i believe trial chars cant get mail from other accounts.
Yeah, you are looking at it from the point of someone who is determined to the point of deranged and at that extreme blizzard needs to intervene, possibly even the police need to become involved because if they are acting like that online imagine what they are doing IRLâŠ
I think blizzard making small changes to the friends list, like making it so both parties need to accept the friendship, would be a positive move. It adds in extra steps for those wanting to grief others, most ânormalâ people wonât be bothered by the hassle. Those who want to go out of their way with using second accounts and /who and going to extra lengths to carry out a prolonged campaign of harassment arenât going to stop no matter what, even an account ban - police warning - restraining order - jail time, wonât stop them from pursuing their target.
That doesnât mean we shouldnât do things to make it harder for them, more uncomfortable for them, and to offer some protection to their victims no matter how small and seemingly âpointlessâ they might be.
Yes of course i am. A lazy person will stop relatively soon anyway as i pointed out somewhere in this thread already. But in the ops case its a stalker that does it since several years. Which i would call pretty darn deranged.
The police would ignore you as they cant use that in a court of law as a reason to start investigate. It could only be used later if said person does something irl as a further support for handed out punishments.
Ye sure as i said. You can do so but i still deem it pointless since the only issue here seem to be the deranged stalkers, who wont be hindered by it.
Depends how deranged someone is. Someone deranged as in obssessed to the point of being ready to kill as we have examples irl of then ye absolutely. Just a stalker with a vendetta because OP managed to pee said person off even if going over several years with apparently nothing else but emote spam and wpvp killing going on i wouldnt say necessarily so and the fear of losing everything on your account (if such bans are handed out Blizzard would need to emphasize that the next bann is going to be permanent. They will have to justify this properly however since they cant just nilliwilly bann you here)
I have it already addressed above. The ânormal stalkersâ are just gonna stop bothering soon anyway. /ignore and be done with it. Maybe have them killed if they annoy you in wpvp. The problematic ones couldnt care less about the changes.
I must say I find it very odd to see someone argue so much against anything resembling more privacy, keep saying âitâs pointlessâ when many people have very much illustrated that it has a point.
And then even goes on to argue against victims of stalking by trying to unravel anecdotes that show different stalkers are different people, so each of them go to different lengths to fulfill their hostile desires.
Some stalkers are willing to put in a tremendous amount of work in, even real money, others are not, and then you have a spectrum of everything in between. More privacy options will deter at least SOME stalking. Surely less stalking is a good thing?
Arguing against more privacy because "it wonât prevent all stalking" is like saying âwhy bother putting seatbelts in cars when it doesnât prevent all deaths in car crashes?â
This is odd. And that is putting it very lightly.
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Not necessarily, stalking is becoming a more recognised crime and especially things that happen online because there is so often an escalation from online - IRL - far worst crimes that canât be mentioned here and the police (here in the UK at least) are under a microscope to do better earlier.
If someone is exhibiting these types of obsessive and deranged behaviours in WoW then blizzard have a duty to notify the authorities just like they do if someone makes IRL threats of violence in other ways or threats to harm themselves.
I feel like we agree but in slightly tints for the most part anyway so Iâm going to carry on renown grinding not skiving work 
really do wish people would leave eachother alone already
especially men pretending to be friends with women while clearly infatuated
its a problem
then again the naivety of some women is baffling too
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Almost as baffling as some random internet BDDMs obsession with someone elseâs platonic friendship reallyâŠ
I too have no time unfortunately, 3.5 wives and 7 kids.
If you are afraid of getting stalked why are you on internet?.. Like my 10 characters are on checkpvp and no one can disturb me by stalking. I had one during shadowlands the guy kept messaging me for 3-4 weeks after removing him, it was a healer from arena.
I took screenshots and we laughed at it with a friend. As long as it is not threatening in a real sense there is no point of complaining about it.
Also if you need world pvp help add me I can help, here is my battletag: StalkerBreakerX3636#